Golf Carts on the Roads in SoWal

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  1. deborsk

    deborsk Beach Lover

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    I have a rental house in Grove by the Sea--last week I talked a renter out of renting a LSV...she has a 3 year old and a 10 mo old--I asked her if she puts them in car seats when they go out in the car. OF course, she answered "Yes, I do." Then I reminded her that the golf carts/LSV do not have provisions for car seats..and asked her why she would even think of carrying her infant on her lap behind the wheel and her toddler in a seat belt in an open vehicle. Her answer--Oh, I didn't even think of that!
    She decided to skip the golf cart and I still got the booking for the week.

    Only one more true week of the summer season to go. Yippee.
     
  2. Matt J

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    Sent you a PM. I have no financial interest in their spreading and hate the mother puckers. The fact is that like cyclists they are legal and have that state given right. Unless you want to change the state law then you have to come to a compromise.
     
  3. tsutcli

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    LSV's have a right to the roads. GOLF CARTS do not and I wish you and others would be more clear when discussing this issue about the difference. To use them interchangeably only confuses the issue in tourists minds, and using the term "street legal" does nothing to clarify the difference.
     
  4. Matt J

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    My apologies. I do use the term golf cart to describe LSV's and I'll refrain from such going forward.
     
  5. Autigr89

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    I have a LSV, and a Walton County tag on my vehicle. Not to mention the insurance I carry for the LSV. My cart will do 26, and that is plenty fast enough for county road 30A. Golf carts not registered should not be used on 30A especially not on the pedestrian path as I have witnessed. I did notice that the police are pulling these vehicles over, and checking for seat belts and insurance.


    I say "PP" because this am I got run over by kids not paying attention on the path. Let me remind folks that pedestrians come first then bikes. Just venting myself but my glass remains full! :), and I love 30A and everything it has to offer.
     
  6. Leader of the Banned

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    I think even pedestrians really should pay attention. Out of nowhere sometimes they jump right in front of cyclists. Why can't people just pay attention period? In the old days if you were out of it, that meant you were stoned. Now it's just plain fashionable to be all wrapped up in yourself and the hell with everyone else.
     
  7. Matt J

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    Smallmart sells bicycle bells and horns for less than $5.
     
  8. Leader of the Banned

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    The bell is as important as the seat, tires, and handlebars.
     
  9. 30aconcerned

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    Pedestrians do not "come first"; they have the "right of way". That does not give them the right to walk three or four abreast on the MULTI-USE path or for moms with strollers to stride down the middle of the path or to never acknowledge an "on your left" from a cyclist as it passes ( yes cyclists need to do more of that or ring that bell) and for certain NO GOLF CARTS/ LSV's!!! Pedestrians and cyclists alike need to pay more attention and be more courteous so ALL can enjoy the Path.
     
  10. lenzoe

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    It doesn't require changing a state law. The same state statute that authorizes LSV's also permits local municipalities to set their own rules governing uses on their roadways. Walton county has the power to ban them, at least on 30A itself.

    I'm not sure how new ordinances are sponsored and introduced in Walton county, but one could be created to ban LSVs on 30A.
     
  11. justhavinfun

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    Gang lets all get real here - The current laws on the books, whether LSV's, Dogs on the beaches, Tourists swimming under double red flags or WHATEVER!! are not enforced today period end of story!!! As long as Walton County is fed and engaged by the mighty tourists dollars, nothing will change. It will take a significant disaster to get our laws enforced or get a change in strategic direction by our elected officials! Walton County will ban no vehicle or enforce any law when in comes to tourism unless something catastrophic occurs!
     
  12. tsutcli

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    Truer words never spoken. I think it's past time that we turn that around and we are just now starting to hear the term "Quality of Life" and that refers to the locals that have to put up with it daily and now it seems to be year round!!! Other beach communities around the country have clamped down and I think now it's our turn but we are so far behind the times!
     
  13. lenzoe

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    So I just finished watching this netflix new age streaming video called "The Secret." It basically says that what you believe, you are, or you realize.

    I believe that south Walton is an incredible beautiful, extremely precious resource that can and must be protected. I believe the quality of life it offers is one of the things that makes it beautiful. I believe tourists are not the enemy. I believe almost all tourists would agree with positive changes that improve the quality of life not only for residents, but for tourists alike. Rather than pushing tourists away, quality of life improvements will make south Walton even more desireable. And I also believe since locals have votes and tourists don't, the locals are the ones that have the most power to effect south Walton's future.

    Things can change and they can be changed for the better. Not so long ago locals saw the writing on the wall for highrises in south Walton and got some ordinances enacted that produced a completely different future for south Walton than Panama City or Destin. I believe they can do it again.
     
  14. ktape

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    Part of the problem is the attitude of the people with LSV's. Operating with the belief that an electric vehicle with a TOP speed of 26 miles per hour is adequate is both selfish and dangerous. For the most part the speed limit on 30a is either 35 or 45 mph. Holding up people that have work to do, so you can travel too slowly in your LSV, that most people who live and work here could not afford, is in my view Very Very inconsiderate. Further, these vehicles are not supposed to operate in speed zones over 35 mph.

    But, I do agree that since current laws are not enforced, extra laws will be a waste of time. The Sheriff's departments position that they don't have enough resources is in my view bogus. The volunteer sheriff's deputies could be assigned this task.

    The best thing to do before this problem becomes monumental is to pass a Walton County ordinance that outlaws LSV's on 30a. If you can't get where you are going on neighborhood streets with your LSV take your Lexus instead.
     
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  16. BeachRob

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    Yeah... I pretty much agree.

    I think the problem... THE REAL PROBLEM... is that people want LSVs, for a number of reasons - all of which are not at their core justifiable considering these communities have thrived without them. People have found a very creative way of defending their use/ownership/rental/sales/leasing/etc.

    Watercolor and Seaside have strict golf cart rules. Watercolor and Seaside aren't in bubbles. What happens here has happened in other communities. I have heard this from professionals who have dealt with the issue elsewhere.

    A community bans golf carts on the road. So, an enterprising organization or individual slaps rear view mirrors and seat belts onto an EZGO. Voila... It's not a golf cart. It's just a really slow electric car.

    That's all fine and well until you take the thing onto 45 mph roads, which is illegal in FL.

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    You exceed parking requirements in a master-planned new-urban community that was designed for bicycles (WHICH IS NOT COOL) because you came in 3 cars and rented 2 golf carts.

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    You let your children drive... which is where a lot of us have experienced the excuse, "It's just a golf cart." Which would be ok, if the vehicle wasn't enjoying a golf cart loophole by calling itself a very slow electric car.

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    You drive around with obvious containers of alcoholic beverages open and being consumed. (See above about kids driving.)

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    Most golf carts are too slow. Some golf carts are too fast. These suped up carts end up on joy rides more often than the ones that aren't suped up. It's funny to see them tear around a corner going 43mph in a golf cart. It won't be funny when someone dies.
     
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  17. Truman

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    Only in Seaside or WaterColor - the rest of Scenic 30A - 25 mph is not appropriate.
     
  18. lenzoe

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    Florida Statute on Low Speed Vehicles:
     
  19. tsutcli

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    How do you go about the process of petitioning the county to ban these destructive impediments on 30a?
     
  20. tsutcli

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    I understand that Rosemary is going to look into banning them in their community next owners meeting.
     

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