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tistheseason

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Rapunzel - Given your background and subsequent knowledge, you are the best person I know to answer questions about candidates' Health Care plans.

DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to start a debate on whose health care plan is the best for our country. Just trying to understand what ONE particular candidate is offering.

It appears to me that Hilary's plan would force the poor to purchase health care plans. Thus, in theory, eliminating some of the costs/problems associated with uninsured care. But it may also create a financial burden on the poor people that REALLY can't afford it in the first place? If so, why are Latino people standing behind her? Wouldn't they be disproportionately affected? What am I missing????

and PS When did they become Latino anyway, wouldn't that just refer to the people from Latin America?
 

rapunzel

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I'll do my best to answer your question in a simple and straightforward way.

First, a glossary of terms:

Congressional Health Plan -- every candidate has used this term, and it's a bit misleading in my opinion. The real name for this plan is FEP, or Federal Employees Program. The FEP program is an administrative services only (ASO) that is contracted out to various health insurance companies throughout the country. It's usually administered by a Blue. It uses a Blue's network, but has it's own fee schedule (maximum amount it will pay a provider for a given service).

When I worked with BCBSGA, the FEP unit was the dregs. They paid their claims processors and customer service and managers less that the regular employees, they had the hand me down computers and copiers, and just generally felt like you'd stepped into the scene of the suicides in Beetlejuice. The only people who worked there were very new hires who immediately moved on to other departments if they were any good, or the people who were burnt out, bitter, and not particularly good at their jobs and were therefore willing to work for less.

When I worked with physicians and hospitals, the FEP patient was always the bain of our existence. Because the physician group/hospital is contracted with BCBS (*or whichever administrator) and they write into contracts that you will accept federal program patients, you must see them. However, you know that you will be paid only about 70% of your contracted BCBS* rate. It's also very likely that the claim will be processed incorrectly, and no amount of appealing will ever get it corrected. Just as likely, the claim will just be denied or multiple services will be bundled into one service (ie, a surgery will be bundled with the pre-op exam and instead of a $60 reimbursement and a $430 reimbursement, you'll be paid $60 and told to write off $430 because the surgery is part of the pre-op. The best practices learn to simply not bill for the pre-op, which means many services are never even billed. I believe that for this reason many of the cost savings calculated for such plans is very misleading.

This goes on because in a given market, the FEP carrier(s) are always the largest insurers. A physician or hospital cannot compete financially if they don't accept the insurance of a huge number of people. Also, the FEP population is generally a very small percentage of the patient base so it's not a huge burden to most providers. Further, I would venture to guess that members of Congress never experience problems like this. I'm willing to bet that members of Congress and their families, as well as other high-ranking Washington officials, have a special dedicated unit of the best and brightest working their claims and handling service.

Universal Healthcare
-- The idea that healthcare is an unalienable right of American citizens, and that it is the responsibility of the federal government to provide healthcare to all Americans.

Single Payor Healthcare
-- A subset of supporters of universal healthcare support a single payor (government) healthcare. Advocates of single payor healthcare believe everyone should be entitled to the same quality of healthcare, and that only way to achieve fairness in the system is move to a government controlled healthcare system that sets prices and removes insurance companies from the process. However, most SP proposals actually contract the services out as ASO to insurance companies, so they would still be a part of the process.

(I'm going to go ahead and post this in case we lose power -- it's storming.)
 
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rapunzel

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If we look at both the Obama and Clinton plans, their goals are remarkably similar. Both support legislation that would forbid insurance companies to deny coverage based on a pre-existing conditions, both support the expansion of SCHIP. Both aim to offer a program that will insure all Americans, though Obama admits that his program will probably only cover 98% while Clinton insists her plan will achieve 100% coverage. So, the differences between the candidates come down to how they define "universal", and the mechanism they intend to use to achieve universal healthcare, as they define it.

The Clinton Plan

Hillary Clinton claims to define "universal" as 100% of the American people, and states that only a plan that aims for 100% coverage is acceptable. She plans to achieve universal care through the use of mandates. Mandates require the purchase of health insurance or penalize those who choose to go without health insurance. Mrs. Clinton has refused to specify what the penalties would be. In order to achieve 100% enrollment, people would be automatically enrolled upon in interaction with a healthcare provider or goverment services. To guarantee premiums would be paid, she stated last week that the government may have to "go after people's paychecks." She says that those who cannot afford to get health insurance on their own will be enrolled in the Congressional Health Plan, and the government will subsidize their premiums. The Clinton plan does not offer specifics on how they will determine who can afford to pay premiums, or who will not require assistance. Her plan does say that the burden of premiums will be limited to a percentage of income, but does not give a number. However, if you look at statements from her top health policy advisers, you will see that the number most often used as a top-out is 10% of income. So, for someone making $36,000 the premium would be capped at $300 a month. For a family of four earning $80,000, that extra $667 dollars a month might constitute a very heavy burden once the mortgage, car note, utilities, food, clothing, and retirement and college savings are all paid. The Massachusetts plan upon which the Clinton plan is modeled does includes a waiver for those for whom the premiums represent too much of a burden, and about 20% of the uninsured remain uninsured as a result.

So, the Clinton plan chooses mandates as an instrument to achieve the stated goal of 100% coverage, knowing that the model has resulted in only 80% coverage in the only place where it has ever been tried.

I'll talk about the Obama plan after I run to the store and make dinner.
 

rapunzel

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The Obama Plan

Barack Obama’s plan is an opt-in plan. His mechanisms to achieve universality include cost reducing measures as well as the creation of a National Health Insurance Exchange to make it easy for Americans to find and compare health plans, and simplify enrollment. He would also offer The Congressional Health Plan as one option for those who need to purchase their own health insurance. In developing the healthcare plan, he started with the supposition that most people don’t insurance because they can’t afford it, not because they are gaming the system. Sen. Obama acknowledges that some people may choose not to insure, but his plan makes insurance affordable and available to anyone who wants it.

Like the Clinton plan, the Obama plan would open up the Congressional Health Plan. But through the Exchange, private health plans would also be encouraged to offer plans with similar benefits so that the market plays a role in controlling costs. He will also offer income-based subsidies for those who cannot afford premiums, but his subsidies could be applied to the Congressional/FEP plan or to a private plan available through the Exchange. Sen. Obama has stated that his first order of business would be to guarantee eligibility and open access to the Congressional/FEP plan. He would then take aim at bringing down costs. He has promised comprehensive reform to rein in costs, and says that the talks regarding the policy and legislative measures to do that will be public and transparent, and promises to televise the discussions on C-Span. Some of the measures specified:

Quality and Transparency
Require full transparency about quality and costs. Obama will require hospitals and providers to collect and publicly report measures of health care costs and quality, including data on preventable medical errors, nurse staffing ratios, hospital-acquired infections, and disparities in care. (For more on why this is important, see​
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Lowering Costs Associated with Prescription Drugs
  • Comparative effectiveness research. Obama will establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans and their doctors will have the accurate and objective information they need to make the best decisions for their health and well-being.
  • Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.
Regulation of the Insurance Industry
  • Health plans will also be required to disclose the percentage of premiums that go to patient care as opposed to administrative costs.
  • The insurance business today is dominated by a small group of large companies that has been gobbling up their rivals. There have been over 400 health care mergers in the last 10 years, and just two companies dominate a full third of the national market. These changes were supposed to make the industry more efficient, but instead premiums have skyrocketed by over 87 percent.

Of course, anytime any of these reform issues come up in the debate, Hillary Clinton says, “me, too!” She doesn’t detail specifics of what she would do on her website, but the bullet points above (and more) are on his website -- which is interesting when you consider so many people accuse him of offering beautiful speeches but no specifics. I find way more detail in his plan. Clinton will not pledge to make the discussions public and broadcast them on C-Span. But, the fundamental difference in the plans boils down to mandates. Clinton has them, Obama does not.

Obama does not have mandates, and so the Clinton camp has attacked him because they say without mandates we can’t achieve 100% coverage. Obama considers 98% coverage, but 100% of the people having access to affordable coverage, universal coverage.
 
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wrobert

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Rapunzel,

One of the things that I understand is driving health insurance so high in Florida is the constant insertion of mandated coverages for people. Every mandate tends to increase costs, and these seem to be things that some people may want to choose not to cover because they know that they would never affect them. Do I assume that this federalization of health care would do away with these mandated coverages? Or are these programs going to be coverage for everything? I have getting a big education in health care insurance at the moment, I am having some issues with my mother and my daughter that are both going to be very expensive. It is interesting to see how the billing is going to play out vs what the insurance company pays.
 

Mango

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Thanks Punzy for the summary with your explanations in layman terms.
I understood the plan, but even now have a better grasp of it. :clap:
 

rapunzel

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Okay, guys...I still have outlines of a compare and contrast of the plans and some thought on the Latino question. I will then answer specific questions, I promise. I'm actually learning a lot, too. I wanted to not write this off the top of my head, so I've been doing research and reading everything from Krugman to Cutler to make sure I'm being fair.
 

Will B

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Just look to Canada, England, Germany, etc to see what we're in for if universal health care happens. Sounds great on paper, but in reality it ain't so great...
 

Alicia Leonard

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Okay, guys...I still have outlines of a compare and contrast of the plans and some thought on the Latino question. I will then answer specific questions, I promise. I'm actually learning a lot, too. I wanted to not write this off the top of my head, so I've been doing research and reading everything from Krugman to Cutler to make sure I'm being fair.

Thanks Rapunzel for all the research. :clap: I'm still undecided and the insurance question is one of the 'Major' factors that will help me decide who gets my vote.
 
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