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Just a tad hateful aren?t we?
Your lack of respect and integrity is showing. Do you want members to give any consideration to your posts?
I didn't think so .... except for the flaming value. :roll:
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I am becoming a disgruntled Obama supporter
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Just a tad hateful aren?t we?
Your lack of respect and integrity is showing. Do you want members to give any consideration to your posts?
I didn't think so .... except for the flaming value. :roll:
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Well, we'll never know will we? I hope you are happy with what you got because I'm not and every day it gets worse. I'll let you decide in the end as the consequences will definitely affect you more than they will me. One thing is for sure, though as I said we'll never know, McCain could have done no worse. No one could.
In fairness, Rita, I have seen post just as vehement and scathing toward Bush and others on this forum many times. It is not just Sarawind who is beside herself with what is transpiring in this nation. It is many of us, who have seen good times and bad, and lived through them and we will these as well. But, never, in my many years, have I seen one individual so intent on destroying our individual liberties and freedom as this individual apparently is. If you don't see it, I fervently hope you do so before it is too late. Sarawind has created a rallying cry for many of us..
Just a tad hateful aren?t we?
Your lack of respect and integrity is showing. Do you want members to give any consideration to your posts?
I didn't think so .... except for the flaming value. :roll:
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"I can see November from my house".
This is one of the main reason I did not for for the REPS. in Nov.
GOP leaders let demagogues set tone, lawmaker says
Defeated South Carolina Republican accuses GOP leaders of caving in to demagoguery
BEN EVANS
AP News
Jul 09, 2010 08:59 EDT
Too many Republican leaders are acquiescing to a poisonous "demagoguery" that threatens the party's long-term credibility, says a veteran GOP House member who was defeated in South Carolina's primary last month.
While not naming names, 12-year incumbent Rep. Bob Inglis suggested in interviews with The Associated Press that tea party favorites such as former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and right-wing talk show hosts like Glenn Beck are the culprits.
He cited a claim made famous by Palin that the Democratic health care bill would create "death panels" to decide whether elderly or sick people should get care.
"There were no death panels in the bill ... and to encourage that kind of fear is just the lowest form of political leadership. It's not leadership. It's demagoguery," said Inglis, one of three Republican incumbents who have lost their seats in Congress to primary and state party convention challengers this year.
Inglis said voters eventually will discover that you're "preying on their fears" and turn away.
"I think we have a lot of leaders that are following those (television and talk radio) personalities and not leading," he said. "What it takes to lead is to say, 'You know, that's just not right.'"
Inglis said the rhetoric also distracts from the real problems that politicians should be trying to resolve, such as budget deficits and energy security.
"It's a real concern, because I think what we're doing is dividing the country into partisan camps that really look a lot like Shia and Sunni," he said, referring to the two predominant Islamic denominations that have feuded for centuries. "It's very difficult to come together to find solutions."
Inglis' refusal to join in on the Obama-bashing of the far right played a big role in his landslide defeat on June 22. Leading up to the election, he frequently challenged voters who questioned the president's citizenship or patriotism. At one town hall meeting, he was jeered for saying that Beck, a Fox News Channel host, is a divisive fearmonger.
In his primary runoff against prosecutor Trey Gowdy, Inglis failed to break 30 percent, an improbably low result for a sitting incumbent not embroiled in scandal.
Inglis said he was shocked during the health care votes as he watched protesters jeering Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who was beaten as a leading civil rights activist in the 1960s.
Inglis said he was too far away during the jeering incident to hear whether the protesters shouted racial epithets, as Lewis and other black lawmakers have claimed. But Inglis said the behavior was threatening and abusive.
"I caught him at the door and said, 'John, I guess you've been here before,'" Inglis said.
Inglis, 50, who calls himself a Jack Kemp disciple because he has emphasized outreach to minorities as the late Republican congressman did, thinks racism is a part of the vitriol directed at President Barack Obama.
"I love the South. I'm a Southerner. But I can feel it," he said.
Inglis was first elected in 1992 and left after six years to honor a term-limits pledge. But he won the seat again in 2004. He doesn't yet know what he'll do when he leaves Congress in January. He said it's unlikely he'll run for office again, but he didn't rule it out.
"It's hard to see how it works for me," he said. "But things change, and maybe something changes here."
Source: AP News
GOP leaders let demagogues set tone, lawmaker says
Defeated South Carolina Republican accuses GOP leaders of caving in to demagoguery
BEN EVANS
AP News
Jul 09, 2010 08:59 EDT
Too many Republican leaders are acquiescing to a poisonous "demagoguery" that threatens the party's long-term credibility, says a veteran GOP House member who was defeated in South Carolina's primary last month.
While not naming names, 12-year incumbent Rep. Bob Inglis suggested in interviews with The Associated Press that tea party favorites such as former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and right-wing talk show hosts like Glenn Beck are the culprits.
He cited a claim made famous by Palin that the Democratic health care bill would create "death panels" to decide whether elderly or sick people should get care.
"There were no death panels in the bill ... and to encourage that kind of fear is just the lowest form of political leadership. It's not leadership. It's demagoguery," said Inglis, one of three Republican incumbents who have lost their seats in Congress to primary and state party convention challengers this year.
Inglis said voters eventually will discover that you're "preying on their fears" and turn away.
"I think we have a lot of leaders that are following those (television and talk radio) personalities and not leading," he said. "What it takes to lead is to say, 'You know, that's just not right.'"
Inglis said the rhetoric also distracts from the real problems that politicians should be trying to resolve, such as budget deficits and energy security.
"It's a real concern, because I think what we're doing is dividing the country into partisan camps that really look a lot like Shia and Sunni," he said, referring to the two predominant Islamic denominations that have feuded for centuries. "It's very difficult to come together to find solutions."
Inglis' refusal to join in on the Obama-bashing of the far right played a big role in his landslide defeat on June 22. Leading up to the election, he frequently challenged voters who questioned the president's citizenship or patriotism. At one town hall meeting, he was jeered for saying that Beck, a Fox News Channel host, is a divisive fearmonger.
In his primary runoff against prosecutor Trey Gowdy, Inglis failed to break 30 percent, an improbably low result for a sitting incumbent not embroiled in scandal.
Inglis said he was shocked during the health care votes as he watched protesters jeering Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who was beaten as a leading civil rights activist in the 1960s.
Inglis said he was too far away during the jeering incident to hear whether the protesters shouted racial epithets, as Lewis and other black lawmakers have claimed. But Inglis said the behavior was threatening and abusive.
"I caught him at the door and said, 'John, I guess you've been here before,'" Inglis said.
Inglis, 50, who calls himself a Jack Kemp disciple because he has emphasized outreach to minorities as the late Republican congressman did, thinks racism is a part of the vitriol directed at President Barack Obama.
"I love the South. I'm a Southerner. But I can feel it," he said.
Inglis was first elected in 1992 and left after six years to honor a term-limits pledge. But he won the seat again in 2004. He doesn't yet know what he'll do when he leaves Congress in January. He said it's unlikely he'll run for office again, but he didn't rule it out.
"It's hard to see how it works for me," he said. "But things change, and maybe something changes here."
Source: AP News
We all have different worldviews.
We should strive to disagree without being disagreeable.
I vehemently criticized the last president, but I never impugned his patriotism or his love of country.
It's very American to disagree w/ any president's policies--
it's not ok to impugn his patriotism. It's not ok to say the president wants the country to fail.
We will never know...all we DO KNOW is that our Country has a president that is trying to change it and not for the good... a president that has surrounded himself with questionable folks with agendas, a president who has made some really poor decisions because he lacks experience, has out right lied to the American people, and who has brought his Chicago THUG politics into the White House. We know all of the above for sure has happened since he took office...I for one would love to back step and take a chance on old McCain. I really believe we would be better off than we are now.
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I hear a lot of general statements and talking points - aside from some comments Andy has posted previously and some tax discussions I have yet to hear anything specific.
Not saying I always agree 100% with what Obama is doing (mainly how he is doing it) but so far he hasn't done anything I find truly worrisome OR that was not explicitly stated as a goal while he was campaigning.
I do think he has had to readjust and compromise due to the realities of the office, but I think he is doing a good job with what he has to work with.
In case you haven't noticed, we had a huge deficit, massive unemployment, 2 expensive wars, and a recession WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE. He didn't cause it.
I completely agree that we need to stop spending so much money and reduce our deficit. I also hear you screaming whenever you might have to pay higher taxes, lose a benefit, or a pet program has funding cut. The government is either doing too much and regulating too much or isn't doing enough and isn't regulating enough. Everything is a Catch-22.
Please tell me SPECIFICALLY what you think Obama has done that is so wrong and HOW YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY. There's lots of criticism, but very little constructive criticism and actual knowledge of the issue.
Not saying I always agree 100% with what Obama is doing (mainly how he is doing it) but so far he hasn't done anything I find truly worrisome OR that was not explicitly stated as a goal while he was campaigning.
I do think he has had to readjust and compromise due to the realities of the office, but I think he is doing a good job with what he has to work with.
In case you haven't noticed, we had a huge deficit, massive unemployment, 2 expensive wars, and a recession WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE. He didn't cause it.
I completely agree that we need to stop spending so much money and reduce our deficit. I also hear you screaming whenever you might have to pay higher taxes, lose a benefit, or a pet program has funding cut. The government is either doing too much and regulating too much or isn't doing enough and isn't regulating enough. Everything is a Catch-22.
Please tell me SPECIFICALLY what you think Obama has done that is so wrong and HOW YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY. There's lots of criticism, but very little constructive criticism and actual knowledge of the issue.
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Watch the news. Antiwar Republicans are coming out of the closet more and more now that they know it's politically safe to do so. McCain would be clenching his yellow teeth on his march through the gates of hell along with hordes of neocon zombies who think it's cool to pronounce it "nucular".
How less "free" are you right now than 2 years ago. I seem to be pretty darn free if you ask me!
LuciferSam;682377 neocon zombies who think it's cool to pronounce it "nucular".[/QUOTE said:
At least Obama can pronounce NUCLEAR!
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