Jimmy Carter

[fisher]

Nor I for you. You are obviously not very well educated nor have you been raised by parents who taught you to respect people who have made great contributions to Americans and people of the world. What have you done that gives you the feeling that you are superior to a great humanitarian like Jimmy Carter? Won the Nobel lately? Started an organization that has fed and clothed thousands? Traveled to world centers of human right abuses to see that their elections are fair. What have you done to make this a better world Scooter? Can't WAIT to hear your reply.

Okay. He has donated time to some worthy causes. Clap, clap.

However, that does not mean you need to respect a man that is obviously off his rocker. His comments on Israel, Hamas and now the racist thing show just how out of touch this octegenarian is. He was a worthless president and he is worthless in his commentary on the world stage. His time is long passed. He should stick to swinging a hammer and keep his trap shut.

 

[idlewind]

Carter is right to defend Obama. After all, it looks like Obama is his best hope to get rid of the "Worst President ever" moniker.

 

[Scooter]

Whatdyyasay - I cannot respond to such an ignorant remark!!!!!!!! Now let's talk about Bill Cosby!!!!

 

[Jdarg]

I think I get it now. After really reading this thread, am understanding posters a little better. Thanks, Y'all!

You mean you didn't get them before?

Thankfully you seem to be one of the posters with some balance and happiness in your life.

 

[Sandy Pants]

I spent the last 8 years pissed at the Bush Administration, and all that did was upset my liver.

If you are outraged do something about it. Throwing a blanket of hate over the current administration only harms yourself and your ability to enjoy life.

 

[Teresa]

Yes.

Huge numbers of people thought Nixon was an idiot, same for Ford, same for Carter, same for Reagan, same for Bush one, same for Clinton and same for Bush two. Now, lots of people think Obama is an idiot. Par for the course. Not racist in the least bit. But, the R word will be thrown at lots of us for saying he is an idiot.

I believe, but cannot confirm, that Bush two (and Clinton and maybe other presidents) were booed when they addressed congress. I see booing the president in the same light as calling him a liar. He did lie. Should he have been called a liar or booed in the halls of congress. No. Did it happen? Yes. Did he apologize? Yes. Did Obama accept the apology? Yes. Did the Prez call him racist? No.


Whether or not Wilson is racist or not cannot be determined by us on this forum. It is between him and his Maker.

Let it go libs. It's over.

you have some very good points. but I think people (white) are denying the racial/prejudice issue regarding the country's first African American president. (people have always denied racism.. even during the worst of times in our history)... there is a minority far right/extreme segment right now who absolutely cannot and will not accept Obama as their president. The kind of behavior I've seen and read about is truly vitriolic to the extreme. If this group causes a big discussion on racism in America, then perhaps it is what is really needed. Are we really past racism in America? I personally do not think so.

If parents refuse to let their children watch the President of the United States give a speech about the importance of school and hard work - at school - well, I have to believe that racism is involved at least to an extent. maybe it is at the root of why white parents across the country reacted in such a way. maybe not.

Maybe Wilson is not racist... maybe he was motivated to act in such a way for some other reason. maybe he's just an ahole. we can't really know what motivated him to do such a thing. we all agree that what he did was unacceptable. We can only have our own opinions as to why he would do such a thing.

I believe Wilson's disrespectful outburst, and parents keeping their children home from watching the President make a speech at school, and a segment of extremists who wholeheartedly reject Obama as President - well I just suspect something other than merely political disagreement. and although I believe racism may play a part of what is going on in our society today, there are many other reasons people behave as they do.

people are complicated. none of us can truly say what motivates others. we can only offer our own thoughts.
we all have our different ways of viewing these things. all we can do is share our opinions, listen with respect and learn something from others that may help us have better understanding.

 

[GoodWitch58]

you have some valid points. but I think people (white) are denying the racial/prejudice issue regarding the country's first African American president. (people have always denied racism.. even during the worst of times in our history)... there is a minority far right/extreme segment right now who absolutely cannot and will not accept Obama as their president. The kind of behavior I've seen and read about is truly vitriolic to the extreme. If this group causes a big discussion on racism in America, then perhaps it is what is really needed. Are we really past racism in America? I personally do not think so. (whenever you hear someone start a sentence with "I'm not prejudice, but..." you can just about bet that person is prejudice as hail!).

If parents aren't going to let their children watch the President of the United States give a speech about the importance of school and hard work - at school - well, I have to believe that racism is involved at least to an extent. maybe it is at the root of why white parents across the country reacted in such a way. maybe not.

Maybe Wilson is not racist... maybe he was motivated to act in such a way for some other reason. maybe he's just an ahole. we can't really know what motivated him to do such a thing. we all agree that what he did was unacceptable. We can only have our own opinions as to why he would do such a thing.

I believe Wilson's disrespectful outburst, and white parents keeping their children home from watching the President make a speech at school, and a segment of extremists who uncategorically reject Obama as President - well I just suspect something other than merely political disagreement. and although I do believe racism may play a part of what is going on in our society today, there are many other reasons people behave as they do.

people are complicated. none of us can truly say what motivates others. we can only offer our own thoughts.
we all have our different ways of viewing these things. all we can do is share our opinions, listen with respect and learn something from others that may help us have better understanding.

Tootsie, I tend to agree with your post above. Here is another take on it...can't say this makes me feel any better than the idea of continued racism, though:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html?_r=1

"What we?re seeing is the latest iteration of that populist tendency and the militant progressive reaction to it. We now have a populist news media that exaggerates the importance of the Van Jones and Acorn stories to prove the elites are decadent and un-American, and we have a progressive news media that exaggerates stories like the Joe Wilson shout and the opposition to the Obama schools speech to show that small-town folks are dumb wackos.

?One could argue that this country is on the verge of a crisis of legitimacy,? the economic blogger Arnold Kling writes. ?The progressive elite is starting to dismiss rural white America as illegitimate, and vice versa.?

It?s not race. It?s another type of conflict, equally deep and old. "

 

[Teresa]

Tootsie, I tend to agree with your post above. Here is another take on it...can't say this makes me feel any better than the idea of continued racism, though:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html?_r=1

"What we’re seeing is the latest iteration of that populist tendency and the militant progressive reaction to it. We now have a populist news media that exaggerates the importance of the Van Jones and Acorn stories to prove the elites are decadent and un-American, and we have a progressive news media that exaggerates stories like the Joe Wilson shout and the opposition to the Obama schools speech to show that small-town folks are dumb wackos.

“One could argue that this country is on the verge of a crisis of legitimacy,” the economic blogger Arnold Kling writes. “The progressive elite is starting to dismiss rural white America as illegitimate, and vice versa.”

It’s not race. It’s another type of conflict, equally deep and old. "

its very interesting stuff, and very valid, imo. that is why I can't say that racism is the root of the problem, or even the primary problem for these groups. there are so many factors. and what about all the other really wonderfully positive segments all across the country who are eager for President Obama to bring it on? we need to hear a lot more from them through the news media..

I've heard similar reports to above. unrelated, but another report I heard was talking about news sources such as Fox News. Some of the Mid to Left leaning folks may view Fox News as entertaining, but not a serious news source due to the kind of programming offered (sensationalism, extreme views, etc)... but Fox is giving the people (certain groups anyway) what they want - its how they think, and what they enjoy. People will watch. Fox is really quite brilliant in catering to a segment that will not only relate to and appreciate the programming but remain totally loyal forever. many will tune in occasionally or regularly just because they have to see what they perceive to be horrible programming which is totally entertaining!

many media sources are delivering news in a sensationalist manner (think Geraldo)- some more than others. Americans just love reality TV. I guess real stories have to be highly exaggerated in order to be interesting enough to keep us engaged.

 

[Rita]

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David Brooks is nearly always insightful. Certainly a take on this that I hadn't thought about.


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[Jdarg]

I knew it! Glad to see you finally admitted it.

My wise, very well educated, and Republican father was also pretty good at sarcasm.