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[Andy A]

I have TRICARE.

Thank-you taxpayers. The nurse at the doctor's office the other day was shocked when I told her that I paid $57 a month for my dental insurance and $43 for my healthcare. With $12 co-pays and $25 for an outpatient procedure. All you have to do is give up 20+ years of your life and travel to interesting places.

And some of those interesting places, they actually shot at you.

 

[meggiemom]

J. P. might argue that being called a troll is a personal attack.

 

[Seaducer]

It's a choice. Blame your employer for being a cheapass who cares nothing about the health and well being of his employees. It's the same for employers who pay the minimum wage. They are saying I would really like to pay you less but it's against the law.

This idiocy tells me so much about your myopic life experience.

Just to be clear you think employers pay the cost of any insurance?
As though all employers are sitting on giant piles of cash that they took from the
employees? The consumer pays for all tax increases and anything that adds to the
cost of goods or services..... in other words you pay it, not the evil rich

And you believe the minimum wage is something other than just an arbitrary number?
double it, triple it, make it a thousand dollars an hour, you're simply sliding decimal
points over and guess who pays for it? The evil business owners who are sitting on
giant piles of cash? nope

take an economics class instead of getting all your info from liberal trash sites

 

[meggiemom]

I'll keep to myself at this point. Since some people on this forum seem to know what others are really thinking, I don't want to be accused of being a 'troll'. I don't read minds.

 

[Seaducer]

it's always fascinating when people who have never held a private sector job
much less run a business think they understand how business works, ivory tower idiots

 

[poppy]

This idiocy tells me so much about your myopic life experience.

Just to be clear you think employers pay the cost of any insurance?
As though all employers are sitting on giant piles of cash that they took from the
employees? The consumer pays for all tax increases and anything that adds to the
cost of goods or services..... in other words you pay it, not the evil rich

And you believe the minimum wage is something other than just an arbitrary number?
double it, triple it, make it a thousand dollars an hour, you're simply sliding decimal
points over and guess who pays for it? The evil business owners who are sitting on
giant piles of cash? nope

take an economics class instead of getting all your info from liberal trash sites

 

[Seaducer]

yep, your knowledge of how economics works is truly laughable

 

[Leader of the Banned]

I'll keep to myself at this point. Since some people on this forum seem to know what others are really thinking, I don't want to be accused of being a 'troll'. I don't read minds.

I'm going to get in my two cents worth on this. First I don't think that thread should have been locked and I don't think that Kurt should have a no troll post policy [that's not my call]. The reason I say this is because not everyone knows how to spot a troll post and it's not always as obvious as it was in this particular case. I feel it's better to let us do our own policing on these things. In fact, I called that post out as a troll post before kurt remarked with the exact same words. That post wasn't a troll post simply because it was controversial and inflammatory. It was a troll post because it was a kitchen sink full of half-baked ideas and strawman arguments that a stoned 8th grader might have pulled out of his butt. Still, I say, so what? Let it it stand. From a personal standpoint, I like to start controversial threads sometimes. Now I have to worry about getting called out for making troll posts by people who wouldn't know one if they saw one, simply becasuse they are offended. Not only that, I'm not above making an occasional troll post. There are varying degrees of trollness, and there is no clear dividing line, so I'm with you on this.

 

[meggiemom]

Of course the flip side is that some of us who are conservative Republicans would argue that a lot of liberal ideas are "a kitchen sink full of half baked ideas".

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Of course the flip side is that some of us who are conservative Republicans would argue that a lot of liberal ideas are "a kitchen sink full of half baked ideas".

Trust me, the troll aspect of his post had nothing whatsoever to do with his views on the issue nor did the "kitchen sink remark". That's a separate issue. I would be unimpressed if a fellow progressive used such a technique as a means to initiate legitimate discussion.

My criticism was directed at that particular post, not conservative ideas in general. For some reason you went on to paint liberals with a broad brush, much like the troll post. I think that's part of the problem. There are complex issues, and there shouldn't be "camps" where people feel they have to go all-in with a particular side. For the coal issue for example, I could easily agree with the undeniable fact that some liberals hold the untenable view that all forms of coal should be eliminated immediately regardless of cost. At the same time, some well-informed cost-conscious conservatives are using solar power to sell energy back to the power companies, which is commendable.

In spite of the fact that it was a troll post, it could have been a decent topic starter. I could have agreed with the conservative platform on a few points, but might also have pointed out that in 2014, ridiculing solar power is like ridiculing indoor plumbing.

In my opinion, a better topic would have been "Liberals Have Unrealistic Views on Energy". The brush is a little broad, but that is true of some liberals. It's also true of some conservatives who eschew modern energy technology. We could have talked about how coal isn't going to go away in the next 20 years, but at the same time, the potential for clean solar is enormous. We all could have offered up criticisms of the extremists in either of the camps. The extremists could also have been given an opportunity to voice their points of view.