Good. As long as they aren't making me pay more for ridiculous benefits packages for unskilled labor, I'm fine. Watching a guy at the Corvette factory make $28 per hour plus benefits made me ill.
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Why would it make you ill, were you the one paying him?
I think you've hit the nail on the head as to why conservatives really can get under my skin. They spend too much time worrying that someone they perceive as inferior is managing to game the system as well as they have. Tthey walk around with this woe is me attitude even if everything in their lives by all objective measures is going well. I can't imagine spending every waking hour looking at people and instantly making an assessment as to whether they deserve their salary. If these unskilled people have it so good, then why aren't you doing that kind of work is what I'd like to ask them. Are you trying to tell me that no factory workers building cars deserve at least $60K a year?
With a 60k starting price on Vettes and average sales price of almost 70k, Chevrolet is doing a-ok even with union labor. Unions aren't bad, they are needed, it is the epitomy of checks and balances in corporate industrial (mainly) America. In the last 30 years in the auto industry we have seen the negative effects of either side having too much leverage. Lost sales, increased foreign competition, inferior products, ultimately lost jobs with either side too much in control.
You guys are funny. What made me ill is the pure insanity of unions in the US. Paying unskilled labor high wages works it's was down to everyone having to pay higher prices. Are there jobs at the Corvette factory that deserve skilled wages? Of course. Is the guy who pushes one button on a machine that puts all 5 lug nuts on at once skilled labor? Not a freaking chance. Just like the SEIU wanting fast food workers to make $15 per hour.
Unlike every other place in the world, unions in the US primarily concern themselves with getting more stuff for their members. (Let's be real. In 1900, unions did a lot for workers pay, safety, and working conditions that they don't do now.) What frustrates me is having lived in other countries and seeing unions that are professional organizations. You don't find that in the US.
I have worked in a union shop making steel parts for beer kegs and some car parts. About 25%, including me, was non-union. I had two idiots threaten to kick my a** because I was working too hard and making them look bad. Just a hint, it wasn't me that made them look bad.
I also have a very close friend that works as a pipe fitter in a union shop. What he does is really dangerous. His union works to insure he has safe working conditions. I'm all in favor of that.
Leader, liberals get under my skin because the want to take the money that someone worked really hard to get and give it to someone else. Let everyone in the US that wants to come. Someone else will pay for it. Pay McD's workers $15 an hour. Someone else can pay the much higher prices.
Funny, in the short-lived coal thread, you made mention of not being concerned if electric prices go up. You'd be just fine. What about the poor, unwashed masses? How very Republican of you.
Unlike every other place in the world, unions in the US primarily concern themselves with getting more stuff for their members. (Let's be real. In 1900, unions did a lot for workers pay, safety, and working conditions that they don't do now.) What frustrates me is having lived in other countries and seeing unions that are professional organizations. You don't find that in the US.
I have worked in a union shop making steel parts for beer kegs and some car parts. About 25%, including me, was non-union. I had two idiots threaten to kick my a** because I was working too hard and making them look bad. Just a hint, it wasn't me that made them look bad.
I also have a very close friend that works as a pipe fitter in a union shop. What he does is really dangerous. His union works to insure he has safe working conditions. I'm all in favor of that.
Leader, liberals get under my skin because the want to take the money that someone worked really hard to get and give it to someone else. Let everyone in the US that wants to come. Someone else will pay for it. Pay McD's workers $15 an hour. Someone else can pay the much higher prices.
Funny, in the short-lived coal thread, you made mention of not being concerned if electric prices go up. You'd be just fine. What about the poor, unwashed masses? How very Republican of you.
Just some facts:
The Associated Press reported that, for example, the average United Auto Workers member makes $29.78 per hour at GM, while Toyota pays its workers (most of whom are non-union) about $30 per hour. However, when total benefits (including pensions and health care for workers, retirees and their spouses) is factored in, GM's total hourly labor costs is about $69, while Toyota's is about $48.
The Associated Press reported that, for example, the average United Auto Workers member makes $29.78 per hour at GM, while Toyota pays its workers (most of whom are non-union) about $30 per hour. However, when total benefits (including pensions and health care for workers, retirees and their spouses) is factored in, GM's total hourly labor costs is about $69, while Toyota's is about $48.
But Conservatives have no problem with someone who doesn't make a product, just merely manipulates money, making a gazillion dollars a year. These are the heroes you call the makers while critizing the factory worker or the burger flipper as being part of what's wrong with America. Oh, and fracking is having a bigger negative effect on coal, and quite possibly our water supply, than anything an agreement will have. Republicans will make sure we drill and burn all the carbon possible for decades to come.
I agree that most (Not all) Republicans have no problem with people who just manipulate money. I personally have an issue with people who manipulate money to other's detriment. But I'm sure that doesn't fit your narrative. You certainly do paint with a broad brush.
Remember, George Soros, super dee duper Democrat funding machine, made his money manipulating a nation's currency. But that's probably OK because he's on your side? Right?
Remember, George Soros, super dee duper Democrat funding machine, made his money manipulating a nation's currency. But that's probably OK because he's on your side? Right?
You're talking about the troll post from jp nettles whose was sole purpose was to taunt people who he perceived as being financially disadvantaged. j.p. put forth a question to liberals on the board about how higher electric costs would affect our lives, so I answered it honestly. I spoke for myself. It won't affect my life. Higher electric cost are a problem for some people financially, but in the long run so is stagnation in developing highly feasible, less expensive alternative forms of of energy, which he ridiculed.
I'm still not weeping. This article was originally posted at the beginning of summer. Another time when hundreds of thousands of part time positions are created.
You also go on to state that people's income across the board are 8% down, again, what is your source?
You seem to forget in your diatribe about taxes that currently you are paying the lowest rate of taxes, if you make under $400k/year, than you have in decades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States <- That's called a source in case you were wondering.
Pure partisan propaganda, it's the equivalent of me whining because someone called me a "libtard" and really has nothing to do with the subject at hand.