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30A Skunkape

Skunky
Jan 18, 2006
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New Orleans will be rebuilt in one form or another. Most of what folks love about my fair city needs no rebuilding; Garden District, Uptown, Vieux Carre-these spots are 90% intact (in case our friends in the media led you to believe otherwise). It is a given that things will be very different here. Ironically, I think that the city will face a similar pain that SoWal currently does. Specifically, the cheap housing where service industry workers could afford to live has been wiped-out. If this property is 'bought' by the federal government as is proposed now, it will remain forever as 'green space' (Stafford Act). In other words, NOLA will become a nice little boutique city that has a heck of a busy port. If we didn't have the port and refining, we could easily be written-off;luckily, we are addicted to gasoline and coffee, so NOLA will be back. By the way, best Mardi Gras of my life this week. :razz:
 

Smiling JOe

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If the sea level rises 200' as indicated, from the melting ice caps, you may need to borrow some scuba gear to get to your house in the Garden District, eh?
 

30A Skunkape

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Yeah;of course that means all the folks who bought ground level stuff in SoWal will be fellow waterworlders and those who bought stuff in the high rise monsters we all love to hate will be high and dry. Ouch. :roll:
 

Smiling JOe

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30A Skunkape said:
Yeah;of course that means all the folks who bought ground level stuff in SoWal will be fellow waterworlders and those who bought stuff in the high rise monsters we all love to hate will be high and dry. Ouch. :roll:
I think most of the 4 story condos in SoWal would still be about a 75' dive from the surface to reach the top of the condo.
 

ecopal

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Apr 26, 2005
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"Bob: Yes, and we should rehire "Brownie" so that we have a punching bag for the next Gulf typhoon."

I don't think you need Brownie around to blame anymore. The recent released video shows Bush being warned by Brownie and the National Hurricane center of the severity of Katrina (before Katrina hit) and that it could overwhelm the levees . Bush's subsequent lack of follow through means Bush is who you should be blaming at the national level.

Also don't forget that for years Bush has been suppressing weather scientist's dire predictions about how global warming. And Bush chose to do nothing about that either.
 

John R

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Dec 31, 2005
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ecopal said:
"Bob: Yes, and we should rehire "Brownie" so that we have a punching bag for the next Gulf typhoon."

I don't think you need Brownie around to blame anymore. The recent released video shows Bush being warned by Brownie and the National Hurricane center of the severity of Katrina (before Katrina hit) and that it could overwhelm the levees . Bush's subsequent lack of follow through means Bush is who you should be blaming at the national level.

Also don't forget that for years Bush has been suppressing weather scientist's dire predictions about how global warming. And Bush chose to do nothing about that either.

copy that.

from yesterdays WP.

Caught on Tape

Saturday, March 4, 2006; Page A16

ON THE DAY before Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, federal emergency officials warned President Bush that the hurricane could be "the big one," the storm the region had long feared; that the Superdome, the shelter of last resort in New Orleans, was below sea level and might well lose its roof; that medical and mortuary teams might not be prepared; and that the levees might not hold back the floodwaters. Mr. Bush, speaking during a videoconference, a tape of which was obtained by the Associated Press, responded by reassuring state officials that "we are fully prepared."

Without a doubt, the tape provides evidence that the White House received ample warning of the catastrophe. Yet within days of that
videoconference, Mr. Bush would excuse the federal government's extraordinarily poor performance by telling an interviewer that "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." Moreover, at the time of the conference the White House had no idea whether federal emergency services were truly prepared. On the tape, the president doesn't ask any questions about preparedness, and there is no evidence in documents since released that he was any more engaged before or after the conference. Had anyone called the Defense Department? Was the National Guard en route? Were local Army bases prepared to help? Were emergency food and water supplies in place? The president, like everyone around him, appears to have assumed that everything would run like clockwork, just as it was supposed to on paper.

Before Louisiana state and city officials get too excited about this video, it's worth noting that similar criticisms could be lodged against them. Another tape recently released to the AP reveals that Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) reassured the president that the levees had held -- three hours after they had broken. New Orleans officials also understood in advance of Katrina the scale of the potential catastrophe -- they had carried out simulations of a levee breach -- but were unable to cope. Even some specific consequences of the hurricane, such as the failure of low-income people to leave the city, had been predicted. Yet little was done to accommodate them, either.

The tape adds to a growing body of evidence that the disaster was a failure of execution, not prediction. That indicates to us that federal and local government employees must spend more time carrying out practice exercises and involve more people in disaster planning. It also should tell the nation something about the value of leadership. The Gulf Coast might have suffered less had the president just asked a few people the right questions.
 

ecopal

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Great article regarding Bush coverup of global warming causes and effects from the NEW SCIENTIST magazine
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US agencies accused of muzzling climate experts
25 February 2006
NewScientist.com news service

NASA is feeling the heat from US lawmakers over allegations that it has been preventing scientists from presenting evidence for global warming. The issue was raised by the House Committee on Science in a debate on NASA's latest budget on 16 February.

Three weeks ago, climatologist James Hansen accused NASA's public affairs officer, George Deutsch, of muzzling climate scientists who did not conform to the Bush administration's view. A week later Deutsch, a political appointee, resigned when it was revealed he had fudged his r?sum?. NASA's chief Michael Griffin has pledged to correct such mistakes.

Things may be worse at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the agency most directly involved in climate research. The top officials at NOAA are "unapologetic about egregious censorship", says Jerry Mahlmann, a former NOAA scientist and director of one of its labs.

According to Mahlmann, NOAA suppressed reports about record high temperatures last year, as well as objections from its scientists to the agency's claim that there was no link between global warming and last year's unprecedented hurricane season. Scientists who still work for the agency won't speak out publicly. "There's concern about retaliation," says Rick Piltz, who resigned in protest last year from NOAA's Climate Change office.
 

TooFarTampa

SoWal Insider
You have got to be effing kidding me. That is scarier than anything that happened with Katrina.

Bush professes to be a devout Christian. Should he not be working to protect God's creation? Other members of the Christian right are at least giving this issue lip service. I have been reading more and more talk from scientists lately, and I have been getting very upset that none of our leaders has the balls to put together a rational plan.

By the time this becomes a movement, it will be too late. I don't normally applaud the Hollywood types for the way they make statements, but a bunch of them will be arriving in hybrid cars at tonight's Oscars and I think that's great. At least they're trying to do something. :clap_1:

This is not just about gas prices. It is about global warming on one hand. On the other hand you have talk about "peak oil" and the way our economy will contract as soon as our supplies begin to decrease. Not good for Republicans. Not good for Democrats. Not good for anyone.
 
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