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Bob

SoWal Insider
Nov 16, 2004
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Smiling JOe said:
Thanks Slow Moving for the offer, but I am not completely comfortable providing lazy agents, who may be lurking, with a completely free ride.
SJ,you didn't use the "R" word, did you? I dare you.....double dare.
 

Sandcastle

Beach Fanatic
Jan 6, 2006
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Tallahassee, Florida
Thanks SJ. I really appreciate the data. I'm only a home owner with no intention of selling.

However, I do own a lot on the pool in Seacrest Beach that's for sale. I could be giving it away and no one would know it. It's been on the market for over six months and I've received only one inquiry. I guess we'll have to wait for the next cycle. It looks like most people are in the same boat.
 

DBOldford

Beach Fanatic
Jan 25, 2005
990
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Napa Valley, CA
I am glad to see a calm attitude from most of the people on this Board who are concerned about property values, increasing carrying costs, etc. Real estate has always been and will always be a cyclical economic situation. And this is especially the case with resort/vacation properties. For those who intend to hold on, the largest increase in property values in South Walton is yet to come. It will occur with the opening of the new international airport. Now the question of whether this is good or not for the quality of life in the area is another topic.

We have had similar thoughts over the past year about our house at Grayton, whether we should sell it or keep it, what conditions the storms might bring, whether costs will continue to rise for insurance and maintenance. In my experience and considerable research of second home and investment properties throughout the U.S., the South Walton area is virtually unmatched for real estate value and the area's allure for dependable vacationers who are willing to pay very high prices for rental properties. We especially like the fact that we can rent our home during the hotter, more crowded months that are the demand period (not our fav time) and then it is available to us for at least 8 months out of the year. Just wish we could get away more often. Having fewer renters also translates into less wear and tear and lower utilities the rest of the year. You will not find a comparable situation anywhere else, including Hawaii, the CA coastal areas, and ski resorts.

There are definitely minuses to having a FL house, with the uncertainty of storms perhaps topping the list after the 2005 record-setting year. Also, we have to travel two full days to get there and back from CA and there are currently no direct flights. Driving would be out of the question. Many properties are pretty well topped out in terms of giant annual appreciation. I mean, where else besides HA or Manhattan do you see 2 bdrm/2 bath condos without water frontage selling in the $1M+ price range? But I believe healthy appreciation will continue at a more realistic and consistent pace after this lull. If appreciation is your primary objective in South Walton, the best is yet to come. If it's quality of life and vacation experience, you're there now and it may not get any better than this.

What we need is a more typical hurricane season and less speculation, combined with some hard core attention to preserving the quality of life in the area. The latter would include natural protection of the beaches, dunes, and biological habitat areas; control of commercial areas so that theme park and chain stores and formula food establishments do not proliferate; reasonable provision of supporting infrastructure with developer participation; some form of affordable housing requirement from developers and with the County effectively directing the use of some housing mitigation fees into built affordable/workforce housing. In fact, I would love to see an airport fee on all flights in and out of the new airport, with those fees going toward the provision of workforce housing. If cities can do this to build sports arenas, why not an essential such as workforce housing? Pensacola Airport now changes a $12 surcharge on every flight out of that airport.

Although these prices seem to have reached an apex in the minds of many, I can assure you that growing up in DeFuniak Springs, I never thought I would see homes there selling for a million dollars. That time is here, however. :rofl:
 

Paula

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Jan 25, 2005
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Michigan but someday in SoWal as well
Donna said:
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What we need is a more typical hurricane season and less speculation, combined with some hard core attention to preserving the quality of life in the area. The latter would include natural protection of the beaches, dunes, and biological habitat areas; control of commercial areas so that theme park and chain stores and formula food establishments do not proliferate; reasonable provision of supporting infrastructure with developer participation; some form of affordable housing requirement from developers and with the County effectively directing the use of some housing mitigation fees into built affordable/workforce housing. In fact, I would love to see an airport fee on all flights in and out of the new airport, with those fees going toward the provision of workforce housing. If cities can do this to build sports arenas, why not an essential such as workforce housing? Pensacola Airport now changes a $12 surcharge on every flight out of that airport.

:clap_1: That's all useful Donna. I'd add that we also want to figure out how to market the area for the "off season", particularly with northerners (Midwesterners for example). Having more low season rentals will help offset higher insurance and taxes, without having to significantly raise the peak season rental rates. Of course, this means that renters would be renting our places during some of the periods that we've enjoyed so much for ourselves, but that would be OK with me (because we can always block out times for ourselves if we want).
 

monty

Beach Comber
Nov 23, 2005
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Donna said:
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Many properties are pretty well topped out in terms of giant annual appreciation. I mean, where else besides HA or Manhattan do you see 2 bdrm/2 bath condos without water frontage selling in the $1M+ price range? But I believe healthy appreciation will continue at a more realistic and consistent pace after this lull. If appreciation is your primary objective in South Walton, the best is yet to come. If it's quality of life and vacation experience, you're there now and it may not get any better than this.

These comments seem to be contradictory. Properties have topped out in terms of giant appreciation and where else are 2/2 not waterfront condos selling for $1+ million. Don't seem to jive with your comment that the best appreciation is yet to come.

Appreciation might start again, but it won't begin again until prices drop much farther with the current glut of inventory on the market. SJ's market stats back up the fact that there is a glut. These stats are not new--it's been this way and getting worse for many months.
 

Sandcastle

Beach Fanatic
Jan 6, 2006
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Tallahassee, Florida
I moved to Florida in 1965. Since then I?ve owned quite a few homes on both coasts, including a couple of vacation properties. I never lost money on any of them and I wish I could have kept every one.

Only time will tell if this cycle is different. In the mean time, I?ve having a heck of a good time at the beach.
 

sberry123

Beach Comber
Mar 5, 2006
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SHELLY said:
Yeah, I saw this type of thing happen around 1999-2000...like deja vu all over again. :cool:
That is the time from when I bought my condo.

happen around 1999-2000
 

SlowMovin

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Jul 9, 2005
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Smiling JOe said:
Thanks Slow Moving for the offer, but I am not completely comfortable providing lazy agents, who may be lurking, with a completely free ride.

I can understand that. You have apparently put a lot of effort into compiling this information.

Please check your PM.
 
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