My first experience with public/private beach issue

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  1. organicmama

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    Old beach photos would be great evidence in that case. Other than that, it's a cop-out.
     
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    I've read this 10 times and still haven't figured out what's obvious about item #2.

    It's not clear at all to me. Simply put, the county can not make that determination. Is that the part that's obvious?
     
  3. Smiling JOe

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    To me, the County is making the determination whether or not the beach was customarily used by the public. They are simply noting that there is a law regarding customary use, and are leaving it to the property owners and public to battle out if need be. The County's response has not changed, it simply repeats their lack of action, which is smart because they really don't have the authority to make that determination of customary use, in my opinion. We may not agree on much, BMBV, but I do agree that the only ones who have the authority to make the official determination of use is the Court, if the property owners want to battle it out with the beach going public.
     
  4. Mystified

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    Thanks everyone!!! Oddly enough I was this ___ close to renting in Dune Allen. However after reading about this rude and selfish incident, I'll be renting elsewhere!
     
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    Bishop Drive is close to Dune Allen & is such a nice access! That's where we usually head to the beach. There's no restrooms there, but there's also not that many people. It's our favourite access as a family.
     
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    That access is deeded to that neighborhood just to let cha know.
     
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    I'm turnin' flaky on ya, GRS... does that mean it's not a public access? :dunno:
     
  8. Smiling JOe

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    I'm pretty sure that Bishop St access is not a public access, and seem to recall a report of people being ran off that beach last year or the year prior. Where is that darn TDC public access map? That might show you whether or not it's public.
     
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    The Stallworth access is deeded to the neighborhood so it is not public. I can explain more in person so next time i see ya we will chat. I have already talked to Cindy Meadows and Sara Commander and everyone in Tallahassee and everyone is playin chicken waiting on the supreme Court ruling. Just to let cha know Sara and Cindy our onboard for customary use. I'll start the count down for Hurricane Season my favorite time of the year.:yikes:
     
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    There is a link to the beach and bay access map on this page - http://SoWal.com/map.html ;-)
     
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    When the County bought the 2+ acres at the outfall of Stallworth, I thought part of the deal was that the public had access through the access just before the gate to Stallworth Community. No?
     
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    I'm currently trying to hunt down the documentation to that access. Supposedly it is semi quasi public access just to Beach Highlands residents(the one that wasn't worthy of a big blue sign) But I was blessed with the ability to talk before I think so let me check.
     
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    That's exactly where it is. There is a sign on the beach listing the Stallworth Preserve as a private beach, but it's a small area and no one ever has complained of anyone on that side of the sign, either.

    Thanks for all the info from everyone.

    The pdf that you attached, GRS, seems to indicate it's public but no one really wants anyone to know it's public. It even suggests to use the 8 regional accesses over the others at the top.

    There's enough parking for 5-6 cars there & a bike rack. Usually, we walk, but sometimes take then car (which is when we usually also end up somewhere else because there's no parking). There's a couple of others from our neighborhood that use it, but most just skip it because of no amenties.

    Until someone says, "Hey, y'all don't live in this neighborhood!" and kicks my :moon:out, that's where we'll be. We've been using it for 2 seasons and (knock on wood) no one's ever said a word.
     
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    I like it there too. especially for sunsets. I am sure it is available to the public because of the Stallworth Parcel that is owned by the County. I worked on that project, and I know that public access is a key part of those purchases.
    :D
     
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    I love the sunsets there! When I am at home and see the sun setting, I can just imagine what it looks like just down the street, on the beach. That's why I had to get the kids out last evening to see part of it.

    I've looked for the Bullard Road/Highland Ave access and cannot find it, so to me, that one is more of a private, neighborhood access. The one at Stallworth/Bishop has a flag, stairs, trashcan & showers. To me, that's got public written all over it.

    Again, this goes back to the whole point of the thread in the first place. If beaches that appear to be public and are not or either are at a point of being taken away from the public domain, it is truly sad. None of us really own the land at all.....
     
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    One of the signs had 'fallen' the other day, so I decided to put a plan into action. I got the idea from seeing some kids on the beach. I buried myself and hid in the sand, patiently waiting for the owner to come by and erect the sign once again. Well, it took nearly a day and a half, but the wait was well worth it. I scared the hell out of him when I came up from under that sand. I think he's still laying out there, prone and next to the water. Well, actually I know he is and he's already beginning to smell, which will ironically keep people away from 'his' part of the beach. Oh well.
     
  18. Mark Partington

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    I remember this dude....from about 4-5 years ago......we were asked if we were "making a statement " of sorts; he pointed to an imaginary property line in the water & we were just sort of freaked out. I didnt go there to start a fight & other than wanting to finish that one right there, we just left & I kinda felt sorry for the guy. I'm sure there used to be more sand & water behind his house....now the waves are lapping at his divine right to be ugly...posiden does take stuff back(funny that way)....
     
  19. Mark Partington

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    Thats hysterical......
    R we gonna need a gps,a corps of engineer map & cuniform script tablets to sort out......(sand?)
    (rsponse to 'adjuster)....cant figure the threads thing out
     
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    Thats my favorite thing to do!
     

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