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SGB

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Feb 11, 2005
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We bought a HP Pavillion ZV5000 at Best Buy about 6 months ago and we love it. It is a bit heavy and bulky, but we mostly use it at home, so it's not an issue. We love the big screen. We haven't had any problems with it (that weren't operator error). The geek squad at Best Buy straightened out my operator problem.

We've always purchased Dell in the past, but our last Dell got overly hot and although we sent it in to be fixed several times, it never was fixed and eventually had intermittent problems after it was out of warranty.
 

Paula

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wetwilly said:
As said, HP bought Compaq and seems that they have stopped making their own PCs and have taken on the Compaq systems with their new HP logo on them. My brother just bought his HP laptop with the big shiny screen and he loves it. He has had it for 4 months or so and has had no problems with it. He paid something like $1500-1700 but it has (did have at the time) the state of the art screen (17"), alot of memory, internal wireless modem, and a monster size hard drive. It is kinda big and heavy but that is due to the big, colorful LCD screen.

I will ping and see if I can get any update on his satisfaction and model number for you.

I have a Dell Latitude D600 that m y company gave me to use while employed and it has been rock solid for me. I have had several Dells in the past and Toshiba and all have been pretty good. One cheap, bottom of the line Dell laptop that I did get from one of my employers really sucked with screen/casing issues but it was due to it being the low end of the product line IMO.


The people in computing at work are recommending the Dell Latitude D610. the reviews are good. I tried out the D600 today because they're pretty similar. Liked everything except the screen is not as nice as those shiny clear ones that are out now. I got spoiled looking at those shiny wide screen screens at the different computer stores. But, I'm not sure I like wide screen anyway, because I read a lot of documents on the computer.

Looks like I'm leaning toward the D610 because the computing people will be the ones who manage problems with my laptop so I better do what they say!
 

OhioBeachBum

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OK - Short background: I do with the &#^%@*! micros what kurt does with photos (since well before IBM mainstreamed the PC in '82) - 'cept nobody sees my grunt level stuff (unless it's busted ;-) ). This, just so you have frame of reference for the following:

1st - be sure you absolutely, positively want/need a notebook. Why?
  • you get much better bang for the buck on a desktop - 2x or better.
  • you simply cannot buy the same horsepower in a notebook as in a desktop.
  • all notebooks (excluding the MilSpec variety) are inherently fragile. Drop it, man-handle it, bang it around, drop stuff on or in it, and it will cease functioning or become psycotic.
  • re the above, module level repair on a notebook is a diminishing returns exercise.

So, you still want a notebook? I agree with JB, more or less, on the IBM equipment - pretty good, but very pricey - though their stuff busts too. I don't agree on the Toshiba stuff - my personal experience with (literally hundreds of) them was not particularly pleasant. Compaq (notebooks) aren't too bad, but not my first choice [I'd elaborate, but this is already too long]. 1st choice, all factors considered, today (could change in 12-18 mo), is Dell - both notebooks and desktops. Was Gateway 6-7 years ago (desktops) - 'til they went to h*** in a handbasket, and IBM for notebooks ('cause theirs were the only ones that didn't crap out every time you turned around then).

Some axioms:
  • All tech support sux - period - even the kind we in corp land pay large mills for. Gotta wait on hold and/or nav phone menus forever. Gotta weedle your way past 1st & 2nd tier support weenies (the kind that tell you to format your drive) to 3rd tier that might actually know something.
  • Aim to buy at about 75% of the available top end for desktops. Notebooks closer to 50%. That's the bang-for-the-buck sweet spot. Go higher only if you have money to burn and you're a performance junkie.
  • Don't cheap out on processor, memory, or display (in that order). Except for a notebook (where you're stuck with the display). Skip movies or dinner out for 2-3 weeks if need be - it's that important.
  • Buy a P4 processor, not Celeron [AMD on a desktop can be a better bang for the buck]. Nothing less than 512MB of memory for WinXP - 1GB works much better.
  • Just about anything that is going to go wrong with a machine (hardware) will do so within the 1st 18 mo. and 80% of that in the first 3-6.
  • Assume a 4 yr max lifetime for a (Windows) notebook. Maybe nurse another couple of years out of a desktop if you're patient. Longer with Linux on a desktop but you really need to be a technoid for that.
  • Lithium Ion battery in a notebook - more legs than NiMh. That will probably change again in 18 mo or so.
  • Make friends with a technoid (who lives nearby - no substitute for hands-on) - but don't wear him/her out. Remember, if they actually know what they're doing, you're getting $100-$150/hr worth of help for free.
  • Don't buy a printer from Dell (or Compaq, etc.). I bought an HP 6210 (multifunction) at SAM's Club last fall for about $265. It'll probably last a good 5-6 years like my last HP.
  • Treat your machine like your daughter, in terms of what you install on it.

Here's a Dell (notebook) that fits your price profile ($1201 less tax & shipping):
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Inspiron 2200:
Intel? Pentium? M Processor 725 (1.60 GHz/2MB Cache/400 MHz FSB)
OS: Microsoft? Windows? XP Home Edition
2Yr Ltd Warranty, 2Yr At-Home Service, and 2Yr Technical Support
LCD Panel: 15.0in XGA Display
Memory: 768MB Shared DDR SDRAM, 2 DIMMS
Hard Drive: 60GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
Combo/DVD+RW Drives: 24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive
Wireless Networking Card: FREE! Dell 1370 Internal Wireless (802.11b/g, 54Mbps)
Primary Battery: 8-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (65 WHr)
Office Productivity Software: No productivity suite- Corel WordPerfect word processor only
Security Software: No Security Subscription
Network Card: Integrated Network Card
Modem: Internal 56K Modem
Carrying Cases: Dell Nylon Carrying Case
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Add MS Office (basic) for about $150, home biz ver (adds PowerPoint and Publisher [ick!] for around $90 more. Buy McAfee AV and Firewall (skip all the privacy, anti-spam, b******t - why is a tangent) before you do anything else - especially connect to the internet. If you use SBC or cable provider for internet, use the firewall S/W they provide for free [SBC uses McAfee] and only buy the AV. BestBuy is probably as good (price) as anybody, but shop around - you'll maybe catch a sale. Download FireFox (www.mozilla.org) and only use InternetExploder for d***fool non-spec web sites when you absolutely have to. Use adaware and/or spybot to sweep your machine periodically for spyware / adware. Use gaim for "chat" if you do that sort of thing. Don't use the wireless built into the Dell notebook - it's crap. If you need wireless, ask. Other software, same - if I haven't fooled with it or another pro I know hasn't - likely since there's too much of it for anybody to be expert with even a fraction of everything - somebody on the board probably has.

Bang for the buck dept - I bought a Dell last fall - 17" flat panel, 1GB of mem, same disk, and twice the processor as the notebook (above) and faster internals - $839 delivered to my doorstep... and the old ('97 vintage) Dell is still humming along in the basement as a Linux server. Zero tech calls.

Whew - I'm done. :D

PS - You can get into a Latitude - maybe a 110L (the D410 only has a 12" display), better machine, but your gonna pay another $100 or so, apples to apples. Check out the price on the D810 for fun ... :D
 
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OhioBeachBum

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Jul 11, 2005
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Paula said:
The people in computing at work are recommending the Dell Latitude D610. the reviews are good. I tried out the D600 today because they're pretty similar. Liked everything except the screen is not as nice as those shiny clear ones that are out now. I got spoiled looking at those shiny wide screen screens at the different computer stores. But, I'm not sure I like wide screen anyway, because I read a lot of documents on the computer.

Looks like I'm leaning toward the D610 because the computing people will be the ones who manage problems with my laptop so I better do what they say!
Slightly smaller display on the D610, but much better guts (I thought you were budget confined and/or home shopping :blush: ). Push the processer as far up the scale as you can afford, 2GB memory, XP Pro.
 

Paula

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Jan 25, 2005
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Wow. Thanks OhioBeachBum! I get full tech support where I work, and they do like me there because I'm pretty low maintenance, am appreciative, and have always had good relationships with the people there. So, I don't have to deal with telephone support. I'd go up to $1500 with all bells and whistles I need but the lower the price the better because I would use any money saved on something else (maybe a ticket to SoWal).

I have a desk top at home and a desk top at work that are good, but I use the laptop most of the time at home in my recliner (soon by the fire in the fireplace by the recliner) and I take it with me when I travel (not too often, but often enough). So, sounds like the D610 which the tech support people recommended would be good.

The only thing I wish the D610 had was a nicer screen. It's fine, but those new ones that are shiny and crisp seem so tempting. Please tell me there's something bad about them so I won't wish the D610 had one (I did notice those shiny ones get reflections in them and can be hard to use in some kinds of light...).

Thanks again to all on this thread for your help! I now feel I can order the computer after about 3 months of pondering which computer is best.
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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RiverOtter said:
Our tech geeks swear by Apples. Anybody?? :dunno:

I talked my mom into getting an Apple a while back, and she hated it so much because she is very experience with PCs. I too tried playing with it and could not function properly. I bought her a Compaq laptop for Mother's Day. Do you want her Apple? I know some Apple lover's swear by them, mostly for their graphic capabilities.
 

Paula

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Jan 25, 2005
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Thanks SJ. Lots of people try to convince me to get an apple, but we're so tied into DOS (is that what the other kind are called?) at work that it's just hard to switch over. I know people swear by Apple and I think they're right for the most part. It's supposed to be much easier to work with media, photos, video, etc. You may be able to get someone to buy your Apple through EBay or another thread on this site. Especially if you include an SJ photo as a screen saver...

I think we're pretty much creatures of habit. But I must say that I did take a risk and switched from Ofoto (it's now called something else) to Snapfish this week for printing photos. Did you know you can make bound hard-cover photo books with print as well through Snapfish and other online photo services? They look quite nice and would make wonderful gifts.
 

Bob

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Nov 16, 2004
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OhioBeachBum, Paula's request for a laptop would equate to a inexpensive Dell desktop[$300-400]. You stated you've dealt w/ hundreds of bad Toshibas. What time frame are you speaking of? We're not talking emachines here. Toshiba is a mainstream marketer of laptops w/ the $797 version offered by WalMart representing a rather good value. Is not P4 overkill for surfing,word processing? Your $1200 recomendation is no doubt a great machine but is 50 percent above the Toshiba in price. Just wondering,as I like to learn also.
 
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