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Landlocked

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OBB,

Can you do me a favor and take this stupid MCSE test I have to take next week? Something tells me you could smoke this thing. I'm a country boy trying to learn a new language in record time and it ain't workin' too well. :shock:
 

ktschris

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sarawind said:
Would advise against Dell. My son sells to Dell and their only concern
is the product lasts 91 days. Have owned 2 Apple laptops and never had
one bit of trouble. Very user-friendly. Beautiful little machines.
:clap_1: :clap_1: Yeah! I thought I was the only mac user on board!!! :clap_1:
 

Paula

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I'd definitely get a mac if my workplace didn't prefer to support Dells. But we'll most likely get our daughter a mac when she heads off to high school next year (and I'm sure we'll borrow it now and then). Unless, of course, the macs are too expensive. It's pretty easy to get an inexpensive windows laptop these days.
 

Bob

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OhioBeachBum said:
...except that when you think you're asking it to do just one "task", it's really doing dozens, each involving several thousand "things"... ;-)

I'll have to take a more detailed look when I get the time (as I mentioned earlier, I'm no longer a hands-on expert in the notebook arena). Ultimately I'd expect notable differences at a fundamental level with a price point difference in the 40%+ range, because (a) the overwhelming majority of the electronics in any of these boxes is more or less single-sourced and (b) computer manufacturers operate on notoriously thin margins, all things considered.

Generally, the bulk of what you're paying for in a machine (put the display aside for a moment) is the microprocessor & supporting chipsets. Desktop micros run (retail) from about $95 [CeleronD 2.8GHz 533MHz FSB 256K L2 cache] to $660 [P4 3.8GHz 800Mhz FSB 2M L2 cache] (there's another on the higher end at about $1100 :D and a couple dozen on the lower end - older socket styles). Notebook micros run $99 [CeleronM 1.4GHz 400MHz FSB 1MB L2 cache] to $468 [Pentium M 2.1 GHz 533 FSB 2MB L2 cache]. Contrast: $461 buys a desktop micro P4 3.66GHz 800MHz FSB 2MB L2 cache.

All the technobabble numbers (+disk drive type/speed + memory type/speed) translate more or less to how fast the machine responds when you click the idiot rodent. I'm kinda picky in that department, since I use the machines mostly for work - the fewer of my finite number of heartbeats I spend doing work, the better. :D
I deserved that. I meant I would not run more than two processor/memory intensive programs including the OS]at the same time. I found your info useful, as your experience/use far exceeds what the average home user would usually encounter.
 
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OhioBeachBum

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Landlocked said:
I'm a country boy trying to learn a new language in record time and it ain't workin' too well. :shock:
I grew up knee-deep in manure myself. ;-) You'll do fine - no different than woodworking...
Landlocked said:
OBB,
Can you do me a favor and take this stupid MCSE test I have to take next week? Something tells me you could smoke this thing.
3-1 says I'd b**** it up. :D It's unfortunately an exercise in memorization & regurgitation (as you've no doubt discovered by now) - and 8 months from now if you don't do a given xyz every day, you'll have to look it up in MSDN docs again anyway. ;-) Certs will get you through the door for a new gig easier, though - and some companies (mine's one) pay folks a bonus for passing a cert test (& pay for the test if you pass). Now I might could pass a Java cert test (part of what I do every day). Let me know how it sorts out, in case I ever find time to go there...
 

OhioBeachBum

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Jul 11, 2005
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Bob said:
I deserved that. I meant I would not run more than two processor/memory intensive programs including the OS]at the same time. I found your info useful, as your experience/use far exceeds what the average home user would usually encounter.
No ding intended... At home, I do the same thing as everybody else (mostly), I just have much less patience. ;-) And when I do have to go out an buy a new something, I'm pretty much in the same boat as everybody else - the landscape changes way too fast to keep track of it all.
 

katie blue

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Paula-
I love my Dell Inspiron notebook with Windows XP and 15" screen. I always buy the "refurbished" models at a discount. These are systems that have been returned for whatever reason. Anything wrong gets replaced before shipping out, (so effectively, they've been tested twice, not just once), and the warrantee is still 3 years, just like the "new" ones. Never had a problem. Oh, actually, one time the modem wasn't working. Literally the next day a new one was on my doorstep via FedEx. Same with a hard drive that I lost to the trojan virus. Had a new one arrive in one day and they helped me install it on the phone.

Unless you process video daily, I can't see why you would switch to Mac at this point...you probably have all Windows software already. (I believe the whole "Apples are easier" line is just a marketing thing. I've had jobs where I had equal access to both machines, and found myself always choosing the PC over the Mac. They both have learning curves, they're just different. I find Macs as frustrating as some find PCs, so it's all in your frame of reference.)

For the record, I generally run several high memory programs simultaneously (Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Word, Firefox, Flash, etc) and almost never crash.
 

ktschris

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In a graphic setting -- nothing beats a mac. I too have run graphic programs on both platforms and the mac outperforms the pc everytime. Depending on the end result - print vs. web or video, most service bureaus (ie. film house/print shop) will perfer macs. A 2 gig file will just rip better out of mac softerware than pc.
 

Landlocked

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OhioBeachBum said:
You'll do fine - no different than woodworking...

Yeah, but I ENJOY woodworking....
 
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