New big blue signs in SoWal

[Alicia Leonard]

Did the TDC have the authority to post a County sign on State Highways, like 331? They screwed it up anyway. If they tried to spend another $5400 to replace that sign, I would really begin to raise some hell, and it wouldn't be at a TDC meeting. It would be a the BCC (Board of County Commissioners) Mtg.

I think it would meet the same fate.

 

[Dave Rauschkolb]

What is more funn to do on a Friday night than to read through the FL DOT (Dept of Transportation) rules for wayfinding signs on State Highways?
Here are a few design rules from the FL DOT:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Verdana]14-51.052 Design.

(1) Red, yellow, orange, fluorescent yellow-green or fluorescent pink shall not be used as background colors for Wayfinding Signs, in order to minimize confusion with regulatory, warning, construction, or incident management signs.

(2) Background colors, other than those stated in Subsection 14-51.052(1), F.A.C., shall be allowed on Wayfinding Signs.

(3) A minimum contrast value of legend color to background color of 70 percent is required for Wayfinding Signs (ADA minimum contrast value).

(4) Enhancement markers may be used, at the option of the applicant, as a means of aesthetically identifying the Wayfinding Signs. The size and shape of an enhancement marker shall be smaller than the Wayfinding Signs in order to avoid confusion with traffic control devices.

(5) A pictograph may be incorporated into the overall design of a Wayfinding Sign.

(6) There shall be a maximum of three destinations shown on each Wayfinding Sign....


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At the meeting the other night, the interim Director of the TDC pulled out a display board, saying that the signs were designed to FL DOT standards. He was defending the blue color of the background on the signs, saying that the FL DOT's guidelines required the background color to be blue. Reading item #1, above, I fail to see that.

Also, regarding item #6, above, If there is a max of only three destinations to be shown on each wayfinding sign, what the hell were they thinking making the signs that big? I thought maybe they were saving room for future developments to be added, but if they follow the FL DOT guidelines, they won't add any more destinations.

CR 30A is a County Road, hence the "CR" in the name. My point of the above, is that the interim Director of the TDC was giving us false information, trying to steer the 200 ppl in attendance into working around the blue color of the signs.
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As usual JOe, terrific research and interpretation.

 

[seagrovegirl]

As usual JOe, terrific research and interpretation.

What does the color BLUE..have to do with paragraph #1? I am against the signs....just don't understand. Thanks......

 

[Bdarg]

What does the color BLUE..have to do with paragraph #1? I am against the signs....just don't understand. Thanks......

The TDC at the meeting said that they HAD to be blue under state guidelines.

Paragraph #1 states otherwise.;-)

 

[seagrovegirl]

The TDC at the meeting said that they HAD to be blue under state guidelines.

Paragraph #1 states otherwise.;-)

It states that they shall not be certain colors, blue is not included. So, I am reading it as it's okay to be blue.

 

[Bdarg]

It states that they shall not be certain colors, blue is not included. So, I am reading it as it's okay to be blue.

The TDC at the meeting said that it could be only be blue. No other color was allowed for a way finding sign.

The regulations that SJ so kindly posted show that it can be any color other than the few listed.

In short the TDC at a minimum were seriously lacking in their understanding of the regulations at worst they bold faced lied to the citizenry attending the meeting.

 

[seagrovegirl]

The TDC at the meeting said that it could be only be blue. No other color was allowed for a way finding sign.

The regulations that SJ so kindly posted show that it can be any color other than the few listed.

In short the TDC at a minimum were seriously lacking in their understanding of the regulations at worst they bold faced lied to the citizenry attending the meeting.

Thank you for clearing that up......

 

[MinnDodd]

if the signs somehow were just gone one day do you think they would be replaced ? remember there used to be one on 331 just south of the bay it hasn't reappeared yet .

Ya... what if they were just one day... "Gone".

Thinking Boston Tea Party here.

a dozen residents dressed as indians... no wait. Snowbirds. Sneak them down, throw them into the sea. No wait... mount them in the yards of the TDC. How attractive would they find them now ?

 

[seagrovegirl]

Ya... what if they were just one day... "Gone".

Thinking Boston Tea Party here.

a dozen residents dressed as indians... no wait. Snowbirds. Sneak them down, throw them into the sea. No wait... mount them in the yards of the TDC. How attractive would they find them now ?

Hey Booger...your on to something here......I say dressed as tourists and the TDC yard is brilliant!You get rep for that one.

 

[comcon107]

I grew up in Panama City and was going to retire at PCB. However, because of the Bay County Commissioners and the Bay TDC the appeal of PCB is gone. I retired at Grayton Beach due to the attractiveness and lack of a tacky environment.
With these gross terrible signs I am concerned that the TDC here as in Bay County is going to do what it wants regardless of what the people desire.