Obama's Speech in Berlin

[elgordoboy]

I love British humour.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4392846.ece

lol.."King Bill the Priapic"

 

[Mango]

I love British humour.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4392846.ece

:funn:That's about the funniest satire I've read since your friend 30gAy's.

 

[tolynne]

Amen

 

[6thGen]

Love it that an article calling Obama The Messiah put me over the top for a second little green thing next to my name. I have no idea what they mean or how they are obtained, but I think it means sowal.com believes I am coming around as a liberal, since Mango and rapunzel have a ton of them.

 

[30ashopper]

Andrea Mitchell on Morning Joe this morning:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-f...says-mccain-sabotaged-obama-military-hospital

So, why isn't the right talking about his visits to visit injured troops in Afghanistan and Iraq without photographers? No praise for that?

I commend that, it was long overdue. I thought the original purpose of his trip was to assess Afghanistan and Iraq. Amazingly, even after the visit and meeting with those who know what's going on, he hasn't changed his stance. He will though, once elected.

It's amazing to me that fear of the New World Order is so often used against Democrats, when the Republicans are in heavy attendance at every Bilderberg conference. If you fear the NWO, vote Obama. He still respects democracy.

NWO in terms of a communal view of the world - where we share resources, wealth, and most importantly ideology, as long as it fits social democrats view of what is right ideology and what is wrong. Granted most republicans share this same flaw. True conservatives and libertarians do not.

I think he only respects the parts of democracy and the Constitution that suit his needs, like most other politicians in Washington (except maybe Ron Paul and a few others). IMHO you guys are naive about this guy, he is a politician, and a very slick one at that. "Change you can believe in" is his advertising campaign, and you're swallowing it hook line and sinker. So much so that when he breaks from some of your party's core beliefs (campaign finance, FISA, Gay Marriage, abortion, healthcare for all, etc..) you just keep eating it up. He will disappoint you. IMHO you should have nominated Hillary if you were looking for character.

One of the things Republicans have always liked about George Bush is his stead fast resolve in what he believes in, regardless of how it effects his popularity. I just don't see that kind of resolve in Obama. I tend to like politicians who show this kind of character, whether I agree with their policies entirely or not.

 

[Gypsea]

I commend that, it was long overdue. I thought the original purpose of his trip was to assess Afghanistan and Iraq. Amazingly, even after the visit and meeting with those who know what's going on, he hasn't changed his stance. He will though, once elected.



NWO in terms of a communal view of the world - where we share resources, wealth, and most importantly ideology, as long as it fits social democrats view of what is right ideology and what is wrong. Granted most republicans share this same flaw. True conservatives and libertarians do not.

I think he only respects the parts of democracy and the Constitution that suit his needs, like most other politicians in Washington (except maybe Ron Paul and a few others). IMHO you guys are naive about this guy, he is a politician, and a very slick one at that. "Change you can believe in" is his advertising campaign, and you're swallowing it hook line and sinker. So much so that when he breaks from some of your party's core beliefs (campaign finance, FISA, Gay Marriage, abortion, healthcare for all, etc..) you just keep eating it up. He will disappoint you. IMHO you should have nominated Hillary if you were looking for character.

One of the things Republicans have always liked about George Bush is his stead fast resolve in what he believes in, regardless of how it effects his popularity. I just don't see that kind of resolve in Obama. I tend to like politicians who show this kind of character, whether I agree with their policies entirely or not.

and whether or not he is WRONG! Personally I like someone that learns from their mistakes and makes adjustments.

 

[elgordoboy]

I commend that, it was long overdue. I thought the original purpose of his trip was to assess Afghanistan and Iraq. Amazingly, even after the visit and meeting with those who know what's going on, he hasn't changed his stance. He will though, once elected.



NWO in terms of a communal view of the world - where we share resources, wealth, and most importantly ideology, as long as it fits social democrats view of what is right ideology and what is wrong. Granted most republicans share this same flaw. True conservatives and libertarians do not.

I think he only respects the parts of democracy and the Constitution that suit his needs, like most other politicians in Washington (except maybe Ron Paul and a few others). IMHO you guys are naive about this guy, he is a politician, and a very slick one at that. "Change you can believe in" is his advertising campaign, and you're swallowing it hook line and sinker. So much so that when he breaks from some of your party's core beliefs (campaign finance, FISA, Gay Marriage, abortion, healthcare for all, etc..) you just keep eating it up. He will disappoint you. IMHO you should have nominated Hillary if you were looking for character.

One of the things Republicans have always liked about George Bush is his stead fast resolve in what he believes in, regardless of how it effects his popularity. I just don't see that kind of resolve in Obama. I tend to like politicians who show this kind of character, whether I agree with their policies entirely or not.

George Bush is a politician and McCain is a politician. All of them are suspect for simply aspiring to the job of President of the United States. None are desirous of the position for strictly altruistic reasons and does enlightened self interest on personal level have any place in the presidency? Kind of like the old joke "I wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member" I don't wasnt to be ruled by anyone who wants the job...but I don't have a serious alternative. I could secede from the Union but I don't think the Union would notice until tax time and then my secession would be very one sided.

 

[LuciferSam]

Good point, and understood...I don't think of it as America's needing to be "feared"..I would say we are losing (have lost) a lot of respect in the last 8 years--that is a REAL weakness, and as dangerous as an over-streched military.

Speaking for me personally, If I truly identify with my country, I'm going to feel shame over it from time to time. I know we're not perfect as a nation. The last eight years have demonstrated this.

The same attitude goes for my personal behavior. I have a conscience so I know when I've done wrong and I'll be ashamed. Even so, I'm still going to stand up for myself. Our country can have a conscience and still stand up for itself.

The problem is many conservatives don't have an innate sense of right and wrong any more than they have comedic skill or acting ability. Morality to them is dictated by dogma, so as long as an action appears to fall within their own personal interpretation of some prescribed law, then it's OK regardless of anything else.

What's happened is the shrill right has tried to out-flag the left and has gone about it the wrong way. Mccain and his klan are like eunuchs at a gang bang bewildered by Obama's success abroad, trying to paint his virtues as faults. Imagine that, even before being nominated, Barack has changed the world for the better and improved race relations in this country. Oh the shame!

 

[rapunzel]

I commend that, it was long overdue. I thought the original purpose of his trip was to assess Afghanistan and Iraq. Amazingly, even after the visit and meeting with those who know what's going on, he hasn't changed his stance. He will though, once elected.

He's been doing it consistently throughout the campaign. It's not overdue, he just hasn't made it o photo-op, so it hasn't been reported much.

NWO in terms of a communal view of the world - where we share resources, wealth, and most importantly ideology, as long as it fits social democrats view of what is right ideology and what is wrong. Granted most republicans share this same flaw. True conservatives and libertarians do not.

Read up on Bilderberg if you really believe that. True conservatives and libertarians do share an ideology, and it's one they have to hide from the public.

I think he only respects the parts of democracy and the Constitution that suit his needs, like most other politicians in Washington (except maybe Ron Paul and a few others). IMHO you guys are naive about this guy, he is a politician, and a very slick one at that. "Change you can believe in" is his advertising campaign, and you're swallowing it hook line and sinker. So much so that when he breaks from some of your party's core beliefs (campaign finance, FISA, Gay Marriage, abortion, healthcare for all, etc..) you just keep eating it up. He will disappoint you. IMHO you should have nominated Hillary if you were looking for character.

One of the things Republicans have always liked about George Bush is his stead fast resolve in what he believes in, regardless of how it effects his popularity. I just don't see that kind of resolve in Obama. I tend to like politicians who show this kind of character, whether I agree with their policies entirely or not.

I have been listening to Obama carefully for almost two years, and though I've seen ideas evolve, I haven't seen them change. Not once. Sometimes I have seen the mainstream media report them differently or incorrectly when they are ticking off an opposing candidate's talking points, but his positions are consistent.

With that said, I was disappointed by his decison not to spend political capital on FISA, but I do understand from the DCCC point of view why it was the realpolitik thing to do.

I agree with him more than I agree with McCain -- and I believe he'll surround himself with better advisors and a better Cabinet.

 

[30ashopper]

and whether or not he is WRONG! Personally I like someone that learns from their mistakes and makes adjustments.

I knew I shouldn't have mentioned George Bush when I wrote it.