Please, Please, Please Indiana....

[tistheseason]

I slightly disagree on the thought of superdelegates overriding something. IMO, superdelegates don't override anything. They follow the rules and vote just like the rules say they can, and just like I did in SC for Obama. What would be the problem if on day one all the superdelegates would have came out and said we are all voting for Hillary instead of later in the process.

To me, that argument is just like Hillary saying that if the Dems used the Republican's nominating rules, I would already be the nominee, which is equally ludicrous. Everyone started with the same rules and now must live by them. Now if people want the rules changed, get to it.

I am starting a new movement. Don't deny Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico their ability to have a say in the nomination!!!!

You are right that they are following the rules. But this election is bringing to light the problem in the rules. I still think that there will a revolt against the democrats if it?s perceived that the superdelegates picked the nominee and not ?the people?

 

[Smiling JOe]

if that is the case, maybe the democrats should join another organization, because that is the way the dems do it. They could always fire their Yeeee-haawwwww leader, Howard Dean, whom no one seems to like.

Next thing you know, they will want to elect the President, rather than having the Electoral College do so. Personally, I think they need to take a 7th Grade American Gov't class.

 

[rapunzel]

if that is the case, maybe the democrats should join another organization, because that is the way the dems do it. They could always fire their Yeeee-haawwwww leader, Howard Dean, whom no one seems to like.

Next thing you know, they will want to elect the President, rather than having the Electoral College do so. Personally, I think they need to take a 7th Grade American Gov't class.

What the? SJ, step away from the am radio.

I like Howard Dean. Guess what? The 50 state strategy just worked. The grassroots prevailed against the machine. We're going to have a nominee not beholden to special interests, who won't have a line of big donors at his door requesting favors come November. We just proved that no matter what the pundits say, we are not so easily divided into little groups. We can rise above racism. We have proven the electorate isn't as dumb as the political consultants think, that we recognize pandering when we hear it.

SJ, the superdelegates were a hold over, a way to include elected officials in the convention, a little fun reward for their work, and a way to open up pledged delegate slots to the rank and file. They added more and more each election cycle. everyone who works so hard wants to be on the floor come August. No one thought a primary would go this far in the age of big donors. It was short-sighted. A mistake. The leadership has been saying for ages (Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, James Clyburn) that they would not go against the pledged delegates. Does the superdelegate role need to be done away with? Of course.

SJ, this has been the most little 'd' democratic primary in modern history. Winner take all is not democratic. Winner take all leads to an early nominee, and neglects to take into account the preferences of all the late voting states, panders to the electoral powerhouses and ignores the little states.

Winner take all divides us into little bitty demographics, panders to us and scares us and divides us. The party leadership took down Dean, the scream just sped it along. Dean restored democracy to the Democratic Party, and in November we'll know whether or not it worked.

The 50-state strategy has given us record turnout around the country, millions of newly registered Democrats, and as Barack Obama predicted in New Hampshire three and a half long months ago, it has given us a different kind of politics...

"We will remember that there is something happening in America. That we are not as divided as our politics suggest. That we are one people. That we are one nation. And together we will begin the next great chapter in the American story with three words that will ring from coast to coast, from sea to shining sea. Yes. We. Can."

Let the next great chapter begin....

[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY"]YouTube - Yes We Can - Barack Obama Music Video[/ame]

 

[Smiling JOe]

I though it brought in newly registered Democrats, who were really Republicans just wanting to vote for Hillary. ???

I'm not fighting to change the process of how the Dems select their choice. I could care less how the Dems select their choice. It just sounded as though you wished it were over and that the battle was not going to continue. That translates to me that you were tired of the process. If the process makes the party stronger, it would seem that everyone would want the race to go to the wire. I'm still not convinced that Hillary and Obama's camps like each other. I doubt many from either camp will be converting to McCain's, so in the end, they will likely stay at home, or vote for the Dem choice. Everyone knows that even though the name is not Bush, if it looks like a Bush, talks like a Bush, and walks like a Bush, it is still a Bush, regardless of the name on the door. I will go further to say that very few conservatives like McCain, and might be likely to follow that crazy girl, Laura Ingram, and vote for Obama or Hillary in the general election.

I just wish that at least one candidate gave us a little confidence in their knowledge of the economy. I've yet to hear that from any of them.

 

[BeachSiO2]

I just wish that at least one candidate gave us a little confidence in their knowledge of the economy. I've yet to hear that from any of them.

That's also my number one concern. All have "plans" with no dollars attached (or at least written down anywhere publically) but I have gone round and round on this issue. I just hope they realize they owe the Country a budget on February 2nd.

 

[Smiling JOe]

What good is a budget if they don't operate within the boundaries of it?

 

[BeachSiO2]

What good is a budget if they don't operate within the boundaries of it?

This year, Bush says he is going to veto any bill that comes to him that is outside his budgetary guidelines that he transmitted to Congress in February so there is the power of the pen.

 

[Smiling JOe]

... but he does this with forked tongue, spending China's money on expensive items, putting the burden of repayment on our children's children. Someone has to pay for things. That "free" FEMA money doesn't just happen.

 

[BeachSiO2]

... but he does this with forked tongue, spending China's money on expensive items, putting the burden of repayment on our children's children. Someone has to pay for things. That "free" FEMA money doesn't just happen.

But once again there is a budget that includes all revenues and expenditures (outside of emergency authorizations, like disasters) that he says he is going to hold them too. I just wonder which programs each nominee is ACTUALLY going to pursue and how much those will cost us. How much more debt will which candidate cause us to incur?

 

[rapunzel]

I though it brought in newly registered Democrats, who were really Republicans just wanting to vote for Hillary. ???

I'm not fighting to change the process of how the Dems select their choice. I could care less how the Dems select their choice. It just sounded as though you wished it were over and that the battle was not going to continue. That translates to me that you were tired of the process. If the process makes the party stronger, it would seem that everyone would want the race to go to the wire. I'm still not convinced that Hillary and Obama's camps like each other. I doubt many from either camp will be converting to McCain's, so in the end, they will likely stay at home, or vote for the Dem choice. Everyone knows that even though the name is not Bush, if it looks like a Bush, talks like a Bush, and walks like a Bush, it is still a Bush, regardless of the name on the door. I will go further to say that very few conservatives like McCain, and might be likely to follow that crazy girl, Laura Ingram, and vote for Obama or Hillary in the general election.

I just wish that at least one candidate gave us a little confidence in their knowledge of the economy. I've yet to hear that from any of them.

I was frustrated. I'll admit the Wright stuff got to me, and gave me pause about whether or not the 50 state strategy would work. But, in the end it did. Please keep in mind that I've realized since Wisconsin that she had no path to the nomination that didn't involve Superdelegates bridging the gap between his pledged delegates and hers, so the kitchen sink was particularly painful for me to watch. It was hard to see Democrats treat the electorate like idiots, and attack the potential nominee. However, the control of party strongmen that keeps candidates that fall behind in the early states from continuing to fight on also allows the party insiders to select the nominee -- and that way lie dragons.