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Kurt

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Oct 15, 2004
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I spoke with a CPA who has been certified for 37 years. He said a contract held for 12 months and sold is treated as capital gains. If however you close on the property, the 12 month clock begins again because your type of asset has changed.
 

pg0178

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Jun 17, 2005
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The flippers are going to get killed.... This is house of cards... It is sad that so many will look to blame someone else after they lose so much money... But right now they insist that it will only go up... Just like the stock market in 1999... everybody said it was only going higher and then after they got killed wanted to blame everybody else for there own stupidity.... I am a CPA/CFP and sadly it will be the little guy who come to the party last that always loses... THIS IS A FACT.. THERE ARE MORE CONDO'S THAT WILL BE COMPLETED IN 2006-2007 THAN HAS BEEN SOLD IN THE LAST 6 YEARS..... THATS AN IMPOSSIBLE NUMBER OF BUYERS THAT THE FLIPPERS HAVE TO FIND.... And the house of cards tumbles.....[/B]
 

Bob

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Nov 16, 2004
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Real estate along 30A is Frothy. I like frothy!!!!! Any house O' cards will from I/O loans gone stinky. I still think long term is up, up ,up.
 

skier

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Mar 7, 2005
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Bob,

I hope you aren't betting your life savings on the up, up and up theory. I agree wth pg0178. The demographiscs and prices and inventory don't add up to any more growth. In fact, all the signs point to a nasty fall. Any historical runup in stocks, real estate, bonds, gold, silver, etc. like the current runup in real estate has ALWAYS historically ended in a crash. If you own property, but your life, net worth and living don't depend on these high prices, you will be fine. But, watch out if you're betting the farm.

The market in SoWal isn't just frothy, there is "irrational exuberance" abounding with all of those that don't see the warning signs staring them in the face.

Within 12 months, come back and read these posts by us pessimists (I believe most of us on the pessimistic side are trained financial professionals). I hope you can call me chicken little at that time, but I wouldn't bet on it. 100% appreciation over the course of a year of two is not reasonable. Those that have been in for a couple of years should be okay. those that got in the last 12 to 18 months will get slaughtered if they were counting on flipping at a profit and they don't have the staying power to hold the property (or in the case of some of the developments, heaven forbid that must build a house within 2 to 3 years of purchase).

I remember having these exact same conversations with the stock market Bulls in 1999. They were sure the model had changed forever and that the old ways of looking at the market were no longer valid. They laughed at me for putting my money in money market funds. they weren't laughing in 2000/2001. And, look at the market since the crash. It's basicaly been flat for 5 years. Look at Japan. Stagnant for 20 years after huge runups in real estate and then a crash. The current runup looks too good to be true--so it probably is.

All that said, I still love my home in SoWal.

good luck.
 

Buckhead Rick

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Feb 15, 2005
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I also remember the stock market bears in 1999, the market went up another 25% from there. And where is the stock market today, about where it was then, after the second greatest bear market in our life times, and that market is made of intangable assets, you cannot live in your worldcom house. But you can along 30A, and collect rent also.
 

skier

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Mar 7, 2005
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Buckhead,

The real bubble in the late 90'S was a technology bubble and the NASDAQ is the true indicator of what happened in that sector. The NASDAQ remains 60% off its highwater mark of around 5000 and was off by over 80% at one point in time. The dow on the other hand is more of a general market indicator, and as you stated it has been flat, for about 5 years.

This scenario looks similar to the real estate situation in the US today. In general, the market is up nicely, but not outrageously. However, their are specific markets that appear to be severely overheated (supply is outstripping demand and prices are up 75% to 125%). These overheated markets, such as the area along 30A, are vulnerable. If we see a major decrease in some of these overheated markets, they could remain down for a long, long time from the current peak. However, it does not mean that the general real estate market in the US will fall so severely.

A couple of other points of interest. Heard from friend that is building some homes on the panhandle that Suntrust of Ga is no longer making real estate loans in the area (heard it second hand so it might not be true). Also, heard from another friend that got a call from Alys Beach asking why she hadn't made a bid in the first offering. Why are they calling potential bidders--is demand so low that they now have to call to get folks interested? I also heard that many of the folks that "won" the lottery in phase IV at Watercolor declined buying the property after "winning". Never heard of Arvida or any other developers having to search for buyers last year or the year before.

However, if you bought before the huge runup, as I did, and if you intend to own long term. You should be fine. If you bought 6 months ago, hoping to flip and make a killing, you could be in for some tough times.

Lots of folks seem to be angry with me for stating my opinion. That's too bad. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
 

Kurt

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Don't misinterpret discourse as anger. It's hard sometimes to interpret written commentary (emoticons can help). Message boards (and e-mail) require development of a peculiar type of "filter".

Kepp it up. :wink:
 
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