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Teresa

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Paula said:
My thoughts today on the racism discussion are these. The rescue now seems to be going very efficiently (and for the most part compassionately from what one sees on the news) and it is organized. The big question in the future will be, "why did it take so long to get the rescue moving quickly, especially in a nation that is known to be a 'superpower' and that had full knowledge that hurricanes could hit a place like NO"?

There will be many questions asked and lessons learned that will be related to race/class/etc. Smart decision-makers won't avoid asking tough questions about race/class, nor will they ask the questions with answers already prepared based on their own beliefs (they'll look for facts/data). One lesson learned already is that at a time filled with such emotion and human loss, even the perception of racism/classism, etc., needs to be managed (people respond to perceptions as much as reality) when the victims (at least in NO) are primarily from one race/class.

But for now, I think this is the time to focus on rescuing everyone possible, provide whatever support can be offered in any way from however far away from the hurricane-hit areas, and not lose focus through political discussions until after all the people have been saved (unless those political discussions help to save more people, though this doesn't seem to be the case right now) and NO and other areas are well on their way to being cleaned. That's when citizens, politicians, and decision-makers will have the time, data (one needs data/facts to have reasonable discussions of race), and perspective that will help them reflect about lessons learned and plan for the future.

Paula - thank you for your wise words. we need to focus on what needs to be done now, and much will be learned now and later from the mistakes made on all levels.

Leaders (local and federal) have had to truly reinvent emergency response strategies - what they know of disaster response/preparedness does not apply here - and it will take a massive team effort from local to federal leaders (and in this case local/state leadership is entirely too limited for many reasons, and it is necessary for FEMA and the federal govt to assume responsibility - for they have the required resources). I believe that no one was prepared for such a large-scale disaster, and that our leaders are doing their absolute best to respond in unbelievable circumstances. They are making the necessary adjustments to their response efforts - though its frustrating for those of us watching it take so much time. But they are doing it.

Racism? I would like to say it isn't so, but I just don't know. It's kind of an ingrained thing in our society, and we don't even realize the extent of it... The African Americans who have spent a week in New Orleans may feel that they have been treated such because of their status/race, and who could blame them for that? They are desperate, they are tired, they are doing their best to survive.

My heart goes out to every single person involved - victims, leaders and emergency responders. They are all doing their best. :love:
 

Paula

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Thanks, Tootsie. Discussions about race are often very touchy. What is needed right now is not divisiveness, but tremendous good will, compassion, and people listening to each other rather than being suspicious of each other. We can figure out the human dynamics (for better and worse) once the worst of the rescues and clean-up is over and learn from it for next time (as well as learn from it so we'll be prepared should such a disaster happen in SoWal in terms of how we treat everyone and how we respond quickly and decisively).
 

Teresa

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Hollibird said:
Travel2much is correct. They were told to bring food and water for 5 days. I wonder how many paid for flood insurance. knowing that they live in a bowl.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that this statement is applicable to anything going on in New Orleans at this point, and is incredibly insensitive. :sosad:
 
Am I the only one here who once lived paycheck-to-paycheck?
When you are living hand-to-mouth you might not have a lot of extras--let alone flood insurance. If you are ill and living in a nursing home, no matter what your color, gathering 5 days of food might not be within your ability.

This is a case of liberals making political hay? Sheppard Smith at Fox News (not a media outlet known for liberalism) seems pretty exasperated these days.


did NOLA have to happen

".. after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

In terms of race, maybe some good will come from this disaster. The article below has an upbeat ending.
Katrina prompts questions of race in U.S.
 

Linda

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Article by Charles A. Walters

It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed; they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).

So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.

"'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets, she said. They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will."

The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
 

TooFarTampa

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Cil said:
Am I the only one here who once lived paycheck-to-paycheck?
When you are living hand-to-mouth you might not have a lot of extras--let alone flood insurance. If you are ill and living in a nursing home, no matter what your color, gathering 5 days of food might not be within your ability.

This is a case of liberals making political hay? Sheppard Smith at Fox News (not a media outlet known for liberalism) seems pretty exasperated these days.


did NOLA have to happen

".. after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

In terms of race, maybe some good will come from this disaster. The article below has an upbeat ending.
Katrina prompts questions of race in U.S.


Good points CIL.
 

TooFarTampa

SoWal Insider
Linda said:
Article by Charles A. Walters

It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there.

The above article has a few valid points (especially about how disastrous it is that convicted and unconvicted criminals ended up in this mix of people), but it is based on the author's assumptions, which come from watching television and then thinking really hard, and having a wife who has insight into the projects in Chicago. The author has no way of knowing how many people stuck in New Orleans were actually on "welfare," such as it is today. I do not claim to know anything about where New Orleans' poor derived their income, but based on what I understand about its culture, I would guess a few things:

-- Most had lived there all their lives, so there was a very high likelihood that extended families lived together in these tiny houses.

-- This being a city, many people did not have cars, especially the working poor. Even the tourists at the Ritz could not get cars to leave.

-- Many of them got their income from low-wage, tourist industry jobs, and used it to pay the rent on houses that also housed relatives (single moms, sickly parents and grandparents).

-- A reason so many did not know what to do after the storm was because they had no television, phones, or any kind of media, and could only sit there and behave "like sheep" because they were surrounded by water and had no idea where they were supposed to go next.

Race certainly played a role in this issue, but the problems in New Orleans appear to be very deeply ingrained and are not/were not easily resolvable. What was botched, at all governmental levels regardless of party, was the response, and I don't think that had to do with race as much as communication.
 
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Travel2Much

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I think it is boggling insensitive, indeed racist, for the WT to refer to people caught up in this as welfare parasites. Even if on assistance, there are many many decent people who lives have been destroyed, who did not loot, who did not commit other crimes, who went through hell.

Many people do not understand the poverty of the deep south. You (the WT and those types) want us to have your chemical plants and dirty work, to pollute our air & water, to do all your scut work so you can have the wealth to live in your cushy white suburbs, where racial issues become a pleasant dinnertime abstraction, and speculate about poor evacuation plans and racial demographics. You deny us federal support due to our lack of political sway. (You can bet that if our governor were Bush's brother FEMA would have been in there on Monday). You are perfectly willing to go to whatever developing country you desire, spending trillions in weapons and devoting every single security resource the coutnry has, to democratize or christianize (or hopefully both) that country.

But, aid one of your own states or cities that is a majority black? Nah, that would be a "welfare state" and we couldn't do that.

Rant finished.
 
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