Rand Paul LOL!!!

[LuciferSam]

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This is what I took away from his interview. He said he favors 9 of the 10 parts of the Civil Rights Act. The one he didn't agree with is the one regarding not being able to discriminate in places of public accommodation. He mentions privately owned restaurants.

When you look at it as Here4Good has in the earlier post it makes more since than Rand Paul does in his being able to bring guns into a restaurant comparison.

"... in short, you can refuse service based on pretty much anything a person can control about themselves." - Here4Good


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Yes, and you can control whether or not you are carrying a gun, have a king cobra around your neck or whatever.

 

[Lynnie]

It is my understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong because I am still learning what this guy and The Party stands for, that yes, we can have and do have private clubs that can exclude certain groups of people. But I think Rand was saying that a privately owned place, that serves the public (such as a burger counter) should be able to hang a sign saying "NO _______ allowed." Fill that in with blacks, fat people, white men, women, children or robots.

Am I correct and if not, tell me. I hope I am not correct.

G

There is a restaurant on 30A that excludes children. There are places in my hometown that make private rules. I make rules on my private property.
Is he really advocating this kind of blatant exclusion? I am reluctant to call this discrimination just yet because I don't know all of the facts, but what I heard yesterday was him clarifying some media-spun erroneous statements about him regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Based upon the divisiveness driven by the news outlets these days, I am considering this spin with a grain of salt.

Anyone watch BET? Black Entertainment Television? Discrimination? What if there was movement called "100 White Men?" Who would be screaming discrimination?

 

[Gidget]

There is a restaurant on 30A that excludes children. There are places in my hometown that make private rules. I make rules on my private property.
Is he really advocating this kind of blatant exclusion? I am reluctant to call this discrimination just yet because I don't know all of the facts, but what I heard yesterday was him clarifying some media-spun erroneous statements about him regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Based upon the divisiveness driven by the news outlets these days, I am considering this spin with a grain of salt.

Anyone watch BET? Black Entertainment Television? Discrimination? What if there was movement called "100 White Men?" Who would be screaming discrimination?

So I'm asking this. If there was a restaurant on 30A that excluded gays or black men or fat white women would that be ok? Let's say I opened a health food restaurant on 30A and I said, hold it there lady, I don't serve fat people. ( I don't know the laws about children - perhaps because they are underage....)

I'm still asking and trying to find out where the line is drawn, when is it ok for someone to say to you, "STOP, you can't come in here!" Help me understand.

G

 

[Em]

Another politician with his foot in his mouth. He will now be forever known as the fruit loop who believes in discrimination. I bet his handlers don't know how to fix that one, other than making him keep quite, avoid interviews, etc, so that he doesn't lose the election.

 

[Gidget]

I love the discussion, but I am still confused.

G

 

[30ashopper]

Yes, and you can control whether or not you are carrying a gun, have a king cobra around your neck or whatever.

You can control who you associate with, what religion you follow, and what you say, which is also covered.

Hate speech and hate crime laws are an off shoot of the civil rights act. It is a federal crime (Thank you Pres. Obama!) to verbally abuse a person based on race, religion, physical characteristics, or sex. Some democrat politicians actually tried to use this to silence Obama critics in the press, claiming criticism of Obama's policies was "hate speech".

In other countries which have traversed a similar path, it can be against the law to criticize political leadership! Welcome to our Brave New World!

This is the "slippery slope" people like Rand Paul recognize.

 

[LuciferSam]

Another politician with his foot in his mouth. He will now be forever known as the fruit loop who believes in discrimination. I bet his handlers don't know how to fix that one, other than making him keep quite, avoid interviews, etc, so that he doesn't lose the election.

In fairness to Rand Paul, I don't happen to believe that he is racist or discriminatory. He is taking a very hard line individual rights stance when it comes to private businesses. In theory this makes for interesting discussion, but in practice some of these ideas are dangerous. I think he's really more of a twit, a political geek, somewhere along those lines. Fruit loop? definitely.

 

[Gidget]

You can control who you associate with, what religion you follow, and what you say, which is also covered.

Hate speech and hate crime laws are an off shoot of the civil rights act. It is a federal crime (Thank you Pres. Obama!) to verbally abuse a person based on race, religion, physical characteristics, or sex. Some democrat politicians actually tried to use this to silence Obama critics in the press, claiming criticism of Obama's policies was "hate speech".

In other countries which have traversed a similar path, it can be against the law to criticize political leadership! Welcome to our Brave New World!

This is the "slippery slope" people like Rand Paul recognize.

But should a business owner, say of a restaurant, be allowed to say STOP at the door - not because of no shirt or shoes but because of color, gender, or whatever reason? And isn't this what Rand is saying - that they should have the freedom to do just that. That's all I want to know and then I can move on.

G

 

[Em]

So I'm asking this. If there was a restaurant on 30A that excluded gays or black men or fat white women would that be ok? Let's say I opened a health food restaurant on 30A and I said, hold it there lady, I don't serve fat people. ( I don't know the laws about children - perhaps because they are underage....)

I'm still asking and trying to find out where the line is drawn, when is it ok for someone to say to you, "STOP, you can't come in here!" Help me understand.

G

It is arbitrary. As long as one is not in violation of federal or state law, they can discriminate. If you are wearing a purple blouse and the owner doesn't like purple blouses, they can kick you out. If you are wearing a hat, and they don't like hats, they can throw you out. If a business owner wanted to violate the law and get away with it, they could make up random reasons for not allowing anyone in.

I forget what town and state I was in when I saw a sign on a small night club, the only one in town, that read something like "no gold chains, no ball caps, no tank tops, no high-top shoes, belts required." I asked a few locals what was up with that, and they said that the owner didn't want black people in his club and that was what all of the local black people wore.

But, who am I to judge. I don't like rude, obnoxious, elitist behavior displayed by people, regardless of race, nationality, sex, age, etc. I guess we all have our likes and dislikes. (I remember once seeing a sign at an all-you-can-eat restaurant stating they didn't serve anyone over 250lbs. I think some fat people probably qualify as having a disability and could be protected from discrimination based on physical disability.)

 

[30ashopper]

But should a business owner, say of a restaurant, be allowed to say STOP at the door - not because of no shirt or shoes but because of color, gender, or whatever reason? And isn't this what Rand is saying - that they should have the freedom to do just that. That's all I want to know and then I can move on.

G

Yes that is what he is saying, but not because he advocates such actions.