Should smoking be banned on our beaches?

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that's sucky. I was behind a sheriff's car on 20 going east towards Ebro and both SO's were smoking, and both tossed their butts out the window. I called it in to dispatch and was handed off to a Lt. and never heard anything about it.

Especially since that is a crime separate from littering.

I am being gently persuaded to post something as I have been lurking for quite some time and love reading all your wonderful comments. SO, here goes----- Unfortunately, I DO smoke; but I am conizant(sp) of where I put my butts, all kinds I fail to understand why we continue to have the need to legislate personal behavior. This practice has gotten way out of hand IMHO. Happy New Year to all from my little cottage on a canal in Portland.

Thanks for your post and welcome. Unfortunately, some personal behavior affects the rights of others. On the way to town this evening we counted 4 separate drivers throw their butts out the window. That is also a practice that has gotten out of hand. Come do a beach clean up with us sometime and you will see what I am talking about. One day I may go postal over this.

Especially since that is a crime separate from littering.

Are you referring to the fact that the state considers it a work place and makes it illegal?

Thanks for your post and welcome. Unfortunately, some personal behavior affects the rights of others. On the way to town this evening we counted 4 separate drivers throw their butts out the window. That is also a practice that has gotten out of hand. Come do a beach clean up with us sometime and you will see what I am talking about. One day I may go postal over this.

Some warning would be nice, I'll pay to watch this.

I'm a smoker and I always dispose of my butts properly. Banning smoking on the beach is just another useless law that our local LEO's won't enforce.

Although I am quitting as of January 1, watch out.

Congratulations on quitting! I quit New Year's eve of 1981 and still remember where and exactly how. BTW, sunflower seeds really helped me quit. As far as the beach is concerned, you are right. To ban smoking on it will only cause further contention and would be unenforceable or probably I should say unfairly enforceable. At any rate we shouldn't do it, IMO.

SJ summed up my feelings exactly. I, too, did not vote because there wasn't a choice that best represents my position...

Only one thing I would like to add (here he goes)-

I believe the solution is education.

Whenever I see someone on the walkover flip their butt onto the dune, someone on the beach put their butt out into the sand and leave it, someone walking down the bike path stomp out their butt with their foot and leave it-

I often walk up to them, introduce myself as a local and let them know that we view their cigarette butt as trash and that we would appreciate it if they would dispose of their trash properly to keep our area beautiful. I say this with a smile on my face and even offer to pick it up for them...

I get a mixed bag of responses. Sometimes folks get embarrassed, apologize and pick it up. Sometimes folks give me a dirty look, ignore me and walk away. And sometimes folks want to argue with me and tell me what a rude self righteous jerk I am...

Since I am the only person who has probably ever said this to them I understand why they perceive me the way they do. But if it was more common for people to call them out I believe folks would finally get it that THEY are the problem (not folks who point it out)...

Pass more laws, put up more signs. It won't help. But if you dare to be self righteous and call someone out for the sake of the beautiful beaches- they will remember you the next time they have the opportunity to leave their butts- and they might rethink the act...

Peer pressure is a mutha...

2 cents, G

SJ summed up my feelings exactly. I, too, did not vote because there wasn't a choice that best represents my position...

Only one thing I would like to add (here he goes)-

I believe the solution is education.

Whenever I see someone on the walkover flip their butt onto the dune, someone on the beach put their butt out into the sand and leave it, someone walking down the bike path stomp out their butt with their foot and leave it-

I often walk up to them, introduce myself as a local and let them know that we view their cigarette butt as trash and that we would appreciate it if they would dispose of their trash properly to keep our area beautiful. I say this with a smile on my face and even offer to pick it up for them...

I get a mixed bag of responses. Sometimes folks get embarrassed, apologize and pick it up. Sometimes folks give me a dirty look, ignore me and walk away. And sometimes folks want to argue with me and tell me what a rude self righteous jerk I am...

Since I am the only person who has probably ever said this to them I understand why they perceive me the way they do. But if it was more common for people to call them out I believe folks would finally get it that THEY are the problem (not folks who point it out)...

Pass more laws, put up more signs. It won't help. But if you dare to be self righteous and call someone out for the sake of the beautiful beaches- they will remember you the next time they have the opportunity to leave their butts- and they might rethink the act...

Peer pressure is a mutha...

2 cents, G

This is kind of the purpose of the poll. I too am torn but also very concerned as our area grows the beaches could end up like the beaches in Destin. The last beach clean up in Destin was all butts! I felt this poll would at least bring it to attention and maybe wake up a few people that normally just throw out their butts. You are correct Geo! It is all about education. If you smoke at the beaches please bring your butts. There is a reason California went the direction they had to. Butts and more butts!

ban it

yes!

Butts leave butts behind.

It's all about personal responsibility. I am unfortunately a smoker. But when on he beach, I put all my butts in an empty water bottle and throw them in the trash cans by the walkover. I have never, and never will, leave a single cigarette butt on the beach. Anyone who does so should get a ticket if caught.

But if I can't have a few cigs on the beach to go along with my Silver Bullets in SoWal, I might just find another place to vacation.

I love that we supposedly don't have to manpower/budget to change the flags or enforce the no items on the beach overnight, but we are going to ban smoking on our beaches. :roll:

Many cigarette smokers seem to think cigarette butts aren't litter or trash - pick up your GD cigarette butts or get a littering fine per current laws!

I love that we supposedly don't have to manpower/budget to change the flags or enforce the no items on the beach overnight, but we are going to ban smoking on our beaches. :roll:

Many cigarette smokers seem to think cigarette butts aren't litter or trash - pick up your GD cigarette butts or get a littering fine per current laws!

We are not banning anything. It is just a poll I posted after a walk on the beach in Grayton and was stunned at all the butts on the beaches. I came home and goggled and was amazed how many beaches in CA. ban smoking. We typically are 5-10 years behind them so I posted a poll to look at feedback. Quite frankly, I am surprised how many people voted yes. I also agree we should enforce the current littering law but have never seen that happen. I do know a "local law" I like to apply. When I see someone throw a cig out on 30A, I will follow them and put it back in their car where it belongs. If you see a big grey Tundra behind you and have tossed a cig look out!

We are not banning anything. It is just a poll I posted after a walk on the beach in Grayton and was stunned at all the butts on the beaches. I came home and goggled and was amazed how many beaches in CA. ban smoking. We typically are 5-10 years behind them so I posted a poll to look at feedback. Quite frankly, I am surprised how many people voted yes. I also agree we should enforce the current littering law but have never seen that happen. I do know a "local law" I like to apply. When I see someone throw a cig out on 30A, I will follow them and put it back in their car where it belongs. If you see a big grey Tundra behind you and have tossed a cig look out!

I remembered when they instituted a smoking ban at Hanauma Bay, the popular snorkling beach on Oahu, over 10 years ago. Apparently they traced tumors in area sea turtles back to them ingesting cigarettes washed into the ocean from the beaches.

I'm ashamed to admit that in the 70s and 80s, I left my share of cigarettes in the sands of Hawaii, California and Florida. Back then, we smokers were plentiful and the majority of us were ignorant and stupid when it came to disposing of our butts. I've given up smoking a couple decades ago and have since taken to picking up butts at all the beaches I visit.

I wonder what one's reaction would be if they found a glass bottle, washed up on the beach, filled with cigarette butts, rather than a note, with the date and name of the person who tossed it. ???

I wonder what one's reaction would be if they found a glass bottle, washed up on the beach, filled with cigarette butts, rather than a note, with the date and name of the person who tossed it. ???

I believe that would be the beginning of Bobby J and GRS's Thelma and Louise re-enactment to find said person.

I've stooped and picked up trash from Inlet Beach to the Inlet before and like as not most of the trash are cigarette butts from people who believe that it is a free country, thus smoking (and discarding the waste) is part of that freedome. I smoked for 20 years and did the same. Ban the damn things. They serve no useful purpose but to kill thousands, leave many more hospitalized, litter the environment. And let the growers figure out what else they can grow to make money.

that's sucky. I was behind a sheriff's car on 20 going east towards Ebro and both SO's were smoking, and both tossed their butts out the window. I called it in to dispatch and was handed off to a Lt. and never heard anything about it.

as with LEO DUI, they should be held to the same or higher standard as civilians.

Fire them they broke the law!!

I've stooped and picked up trash from Inlet Beach to the Inlet before and like as not most of the trash are cigarette butts from people who believe that it is a free country, thus smoking (and discarding the waste) is part of that freedome. I smoked for 20 years and did the same. Ban the damn things. They serve no useful purpose but to kill thousands, leave many more hospitalized, litter the environment. And let the growers figure out what else they can grow to make money.

I think this slope is too slippery.

MOST smokers throw their BUTTS. It ticks me off every time I see it or smell it.

I guess they're not called BUTTS for nothin'...

Smoking????

Yes this country is free, thank goodness but it is also one that requires people to act like civilized people, have some semblance of respect for your neighbors and for the environment. There is nothing more disgusting to me than to walk down streets around 30-A and see thousands of cigarette butts laying on the ground that were deposited by reckless, self-serving drivers and walkers. Our beaches will look much the same if smoking is permitted. Another place for people to dump their butts.

Yes this country is free, thank goodness but it is also one that requires people to act like civilized people, have some semblance of respect for your neighbors and for the environment. There is nothing more disgusting to me than to walk down streets around 30-A and see thousands of cigarette butts laying on the ground that were deposited by reckless, self-serving drivers and walkers. Our beaches will look much the same if smoking is permitted. Another place for people to dump their butts.

I don't understand your statement because currently, smoking IS permitted on the beach, and I don't see people driving down the beach flicking out their butts.

I don't smoke, never have. Both my parents smoked, then my Dad quit when I was a teen. (Thank you Dad! ) Both my sisters smoked. Never could understand why I was the only one that didn't.

Anyway, as far as Grayton goes when you get a great deal of people standing around waiting to get in or walking around they do throw butts. At our cafe they would throw them in our flower containers or put them out on the deck, or worse leave them burning on a rail or smoldering in pine straw.:shock: Thank God our staff went out and cleaned up in the mornings and at night. Not a pretty site.

As for the beach I vote NO and ditto to SJ's post #7!

I was actually surprised at the outcome of this poll. I don't think we should ban smoking on the beach either. I think we should cut their (litter bugs) hands off but did not think that would be an appropriate option.

I don't have a problem with smoking, I have a problem with smoke in MY air and butts/cartons littering my planet, my beaches, my yard.

Since I've seen a lit cigarette go out the window of a marked WCSO vehicle, I don't think the enforcement on a smoking ban or stepping up the littering enforcement would be that great.