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NoHall

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May 28, 2007
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You might enjoy Malcom Gladwell's recent book, Outliers. (He wrote The Tipping Point and Blink and was a TED Talks presenter in recent years ) I read it a few weeks ago, well DEVOURED it is more accurate to say. He came up with a handful of things that tend to come together when certain individuals or groups shine super bright -- practice was one of the big ones (10,000 hours being the magic number for mastery of just about anything), as well as opportunity. Other factors too. Really really interesting stuff!

While he harps on the importance of practice, too, he points to research that shows that music students who simply pass a proficiency test and students who go on to major in music put in about the same amount of practice early on. The students who become advanced simply learn how to work differently and think differently.

I think of some of my students who just have poor study skills. They don't need to spend hours memorizing; they need to spend 20 minutes concentrating. Many of them don't know how to do that.

Good stuff--I'll check into those, too. Truth be told, I don't like to read non-fiction that much, but learning theories are part of my ongoing research. Fascinates me.

And we all know Einstein's most famous quote, right?

:blush: (no...but I hope you'll tell me!)

Talent is one thing, but hard work/training goes a long way too.

Great talent w/o training won't get you as far as medium talent plus a lot of hard work IMO.

Of course, the silver bullet is great talent plus hard work and training - which is why we need to make sure every kid in America has access to the resources they need to get it!

Gawd only knows where I would have ended up w/o so many great teachers and parents who pushed me.

He uses Jerry Rice as an example, too. According to Colvin, "Rice was considered to be the greatest receiver in NFL history, and some football authorities believe he may have been the greatest player at any position." However, Rice was not even close to being one of the fastest players in the NFL, and he was not drafted early on.

He broke down Rice's rigorous work ethic, and the crazy part is that he actually spent very little time playing football. If one conservatively estimated that he spent 20 hours per week working on football, that's 1,000 hours per year and 20,000 hours over his career. He played 303 games as a wide receiver, and if it's assumed that the offense had the ball half of the time on average and that he was on the field for all of those plays, that's 150 hours of playing time. That means he spent less than 1% of his work time to playing. Colvin points out that Rice spent a lot of dedicated time doing things that were not fun to make up for the fact that he was not fast--not "talented."

Great food for thought.
 
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Originally Posted by Susan Horn
And we all know Einstein's most famous quote, right?

:blush: (no...but I hope you'll tell me!)

"Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration."
I thought it was, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." Daughter has had that poster in her bedroom since she was about 11.

On another "note," have you heard this story about the violinist Joshua Bell? A Concert Violinist on the Metro? : NPR Music
 

ItzKatzTime

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Apr 27, 2006
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Opportunity is a huge part. I think of the many inner city kids with lots of talent and the desire, but no opportunity. Truly sad.

If you want to see a truly inspirational video about a person with little opportunity trying to make a difference.

msnbc.com Video Player



What great inspiration...thank you Minnie for posting this with your new computer!:clap:
 

Susan Horn

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I thought it was, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." Daughter has had that poster in her bedroom since she was about 11.

On another "note," have you heard this story about the violinist Joshua Bell? A Concert Violinist on the Metro? : NPR Music

I think he said both, or at least both quotes of similar meanings have been attributed to him.

Can't wait to listen to the Joshua Bell story -- thanks!
 

Paula

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I love this stuff, too. How about this summary of the research on expert performers (in agreement with natural talent is over-rated). Expert performers:

  • Are Goal Directed: They want to succeed and become an expert in a particular area.
  • Engage in Deliberate Practice: They get focused, supervised, efficient deliberate practice (not mindless routine). Quantity and quality of practice matters. Expert performers practice more for longer periods of time.
  • Seek out Resources: They read more than others about the topic so they have access to many new ideas, techniques, examples.
  • Build in feedback, especially instant feedback, on their performance so that they know how they're doing and how they need to adjust
  • Build in Failure: They stretch themselves so they can improve. They want to fail early and often in a safe environment.
  • Have a Coach: They get structured coaching that provides a planned learning experience, ongoing feedback, & support. A good early coaching relationship may be more important than having many different coaches or hours of coaching later on.

Consequently, expert performers see situations in more complex ways
and employ more responses based on vast amounts of knowledge,

People succeed because of deliberate practice. It takes about 4 hours a day for 10 years to create an overnight success (and what looks like "natural" talent).

This is from Dr. K. Anders Ericsson (who I think is at Florida State University). He's one of the world's experts on the development of expertise (and Gladwell got a lot of his ideas from Ericsson). Gladwell has a way of explaining these ideas in a way that gains people's attention, which is great.
 

NoHall

hmmmm......can't remember
May 28, 2007
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Northern Hall County, GA
I love this stuff, too. How about this summary of the research on expert performers (in agreement with natural talent is over-rated). Expert performers:

  • Are Goal Directed: They want to succeed and become an expert in a particular area.
  • Engage in Deliberate Practice: They get focused, supervised, efficient deliberate practice (not mindless routine). Quantity and quality of practice matters. Expert performers practice more for longer periods of time.
  • Seek out Resources: They read more than others about the topic so they have access to many new ideas, techniques, examples.
  • Build in feedback, especially instant feedback, on their performance so that they know how they're doing and how they need to adjust
  • Build in Failure: They stretch themselves so they can improve. They want to fail early and often in a safe environment.
  • Have a Coach: They get structured coaching that provides a planned learning experience, ongoing feedback, & support. A good early coaching relationship may be more important than having many different coaches or hours of coaching later on.

Consequently, expert performers see situations in more complex ways
and employ more responses based on vast amounts of knowledge,

People succeed because of deliberate practice. It takes about 4 hours a day for 10 years to create an overnight success (and what looks like "natural" talent).

This is from Dr. K. Anders Ericsson (who I think is at Florida State University). He's one of the world's experts on the development of expertise (and Gladwell got a lot of his ideas from Ericsson). Gladwell has a way of explaining these ideas in a way that gains people's attention, which is great.

Exactly--Colvin uses Ericsson's research extensively in his work. Great stuff...
 

Miss Critter

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I've long believed Tiger's greatest skill is not golf, but rather the ability to focus on his goal to the exclusion of any distraction, fear or disbelief. By far, THE best skill to have. I also believe that you have to really love what you do, otherwise the necessary practice that ensures success is akin to drudgery.

I've heard radio interviews with both of these authors regarding these books and plan to read them. The Tipping Point is one of my favorites. Thanks for the recommendation, nohall.
 

Lynnie

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Apr 18, 2007
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Thanks, NoFunn.....will probably pick up this book this week!

Cheers~~~~~~
 
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