Miss Kitty
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The whole thread, or the last part?
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The Plumber
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The whole thread, or the last part?
Jdarg
SoWal Expert
If you read the Snopes, the link to the birth certificate is there. Give up. You lose.
Jdarg
SoWal Expert
I didn't say YOU were crap, I said your info was crap. Not a personal attack on you.
not the last part.
obama is an african in the senate, obama isn't a citizen, obama is in court, obama may be disqualified... what does all this have to do with plumber dude?
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Miss Kitty
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traderx
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Just for the record, my posting of the info and links was dispassionate. I could care less who wins in November. I posted the info because it had been brought up. Note that the attorney who filed the suit is a Democrat and supported Hillary. I posted no inflammatory info and the only opinons I offered were in response to questions of presidential succession. If you read the complaint, you will learn that Plaintiff believes the birth certificate was forged. That hardly qualifies my info as crap.
Rita
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Kayak Fish
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Why on earth are people railing against socialism only now? We've had a progressive tax system in this country for decades and decades, which I am completely against, but to act like all of a sudden socialism will be introduced if Obama is president?
For the low taxes crowd, of which I count myself, didn't McCain vote against the Bush tax cuts? So didn't he vote in favor of more income redistribution? Well, I know, now he says he wants those tax cuts. That's great. But this is my problem and one of the reasons I'm going to vote for Obama. A real economic conservative would have been against the Iraq War and for the Bush tax cuts.
I know what Obama believes and what he will try to do. And this is the key, he will actually be able to DO things because of the majorities in Congress. Does anyone think McCain is going to get the votes to make the tax cuts permanent? And furthermore, who's to say that's really what he wants to do? He claims to be an economic conservative, just like W. did....
Until I see an actual economic conservative, I'm considering it a myth and an endangered species. Since we're getting bigger government either way, I'm going with the guy who wants a big government to improve the lives of a majority of the people, instead of a guy who wants a big government to blow up Arabs and their children.
By the way if the Plumber is making 250k a year, which I doubt, he's doing a lot better than most people in this country. Should he be punished for that? No. Our tax sysetm is garbage. But until I see a real seriousness about a flat tax or a consumption tax or a system that would actually be fair in a real sense of the word from Republicans, I'm out. Maybe their utter failure this year will prompt a revolution of ACTUAL economic conservatism in the coming years. One can only hope.
McCain would be neck in neck with Obama if he was such a "maverick", because he would have voted against the bailout bill. Surprise! He didn't.
For the low taxes crowd, of which I count myself, didn't McCain vote against the Bush tax cuts? So didn't he vote in favor of more income redistribution? Well, I know, now he says he wants those tax cuts. That's great. But this is my problem and one of the reasons I'm going to vote for Obama. A real economic conservative would have been against the Iraq War and for the Bush tax cuts.
I know what Obama believes and what he will try to do. And this is the key, he will actually be able to DO things because of the majorities in Congress. Does anyone think McCain is going to get the votes to make the tax cuts permanent? And furthermore, who's to say that's really what he wants to do? He claims to be an economic conservative, just like W. did....
Until I see an actual economic conservative, I'm considering it a myth and an endangered species. Since we're getting bigger government either way, I'm going with the guy who wants a big government to improve the lives of a majority of the people, instead of a guy who wants a big government to blow up Arabs and their children.
By the way if the Plumber is making 250k a year, which I doubt, he's doing a lot better than most people in this country. Should he be punished for that? No. Our tax sysetm is garbage. But until I see a real seriousness about a flat tax or a consumption tax or a system that would actually be fair in a real sense of the word from Republicans, I'm out. Maybe their utter failure this year will prompt a revolution of ACTUAL economic conservatism in the coming years. One can only hope.
McCain would be neck in neck with Obama if he was such a "maverick", because he would have voted against the bailout bill. Surprise! He didn't.
Not politicaly correct
Obama is an African /American. If the cartoon (which I did not create) were about an Italian or Japanese there would not have been a necessity to add American to it.
Obama is an African /American. If the cartoon (which I did not create) were about an Italian or Japanese there would not have been a necessity to add American to it.
Jdarg
SoWal Expert
The cartoon reads "African" , not "African-American". Big difference, since one is perceived to be a citizen and one is not. I don't think the smear is very subtle, but I will smugly say that is yet another subtle attempt to trick voters....