need I say more
The Trouble with Islam
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need I say more
Good deal. Start 'em off young!
Most places i've been the locals ask if I'm German, English or Canadian. When I tell them American, they're pretty surprised and excited to meet "one." Nothing changes hearts and minds quite like hittin' the bricks and doing a little ambassadorship of goodwill. It's humbling to experience being in the minority, nationality speaking.
Walk slow and carry a big grin!
(It's funny, as a teenager I thought of travel as a total waste of money. I always thought what kind of cool big-screen tv you could get for the price of a plane ticket. Seriously. Man, I was sooo wrong about the value of experience.)
6thgen, I respect who you are in that you have the balls to say what you think, in spite of the fact that there are those out there waiting to nail you on it. I don't agree with everything you say, nor do I expect you to agree with me, but know that I do get where you are coming from, no matter what.
My sig is a quote from a Buddhist monk.
When the bomb testing is going on here, my heart jumps and sinks at every explosion. I want to protect my family & automatically, that throws me into "worry mode." These are just "tests." Can you all imagine what it's like to live in a place where this goes on all the time and it could be your home that's bombed next? Can you say that hate & war, whether it's justified or not, is a good thing? Justified war, hate, anger.... there is no such thing. It's still war, hate & anger. That goes for the conservatives, liberals and all those that fall in the middle of the road.
I am not pro-war or invading anyone. Never will be. I believe that one day, people (that don't already get it) will get that war is an industry that makes a helluva lot of money for people, just like oil, pharmaceuticals and medical insurance.
"Hell" is in the hearts & minds of people. So is "Heaven." It depends on which each of us chooses, as to what will happen.
Thanks. As for the quote, I?m guessing your author?s legacy is one that kept his people in squalor. But that?s another topic.
As for not being ?pro war or invading anyone?, I?m sorry, you sound very nice, but that is one of the dumbest things I?ve read in a while. I think Hitler analogies are intellectually lazy, so forgive me here, but what would you have had the Allies who were attacked do in the mid 20th century? Sit back and take it? I basically subscribe to Locke?s views on war. Oversimplified, as long as someone is not threatening my life or liberty, I have no intention of threatening his.
You are way ahead of the game. Next time you go overseas, take 6thGen and a roll of duct tape.Good deal. Start 'em off young!
Most places i've been the locals ask if I'm German, English or Canadian. When I tell them American, they're pretty surprised and excited to meet "one." Nothing changes hearts and minds quite like hittin' the bricks and doing a little ambassadorship of goodwill. It's humbling to experience being in the minority, nationality speaking.
Walk slow and carry a big grin!
(It's funny, as a teenager I thought of travel as a total waste of money. I always thought what kind of cool big-screen tv you could get for the price of a plane ticket. Seriously. Man, I was sooo wrong about the value of experience.)
Golly 6thGen, thanks for inviting me to the party. I?ve missed you too. Now to the question.
-Well let?s see, the fundamentalist ones most certainly advocate this.
Interestingly enough, so do fundamentalist Jews, from the book Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel by Israel Shahak:
Jewish fundamentalists have displayed severe enmity against Jews who adopt a different sexual life style. Many Israeli rabbis and the Israeli religious political patties in the 1990s reacted sharply against the increased visibility and power of the homosexual and lesbian communities in Israel. According to the Halacha {Jewish religious law), homosexuality is punishable by death by stoning. Many rabbis, when interviewed, indicated that they favored imposition of the death penalty for Jewish homosexual men.
And we all know about our favorite Fundamentalist Christians???
"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death (Romans 1:32)," Baptis Rev. Fred Phelps quoted by State Press (Arizona State University), March 11, 1998.
So the recurring theme here isn?t Islam, but fundamentalist religion in general.
Which is what makes all this muslim bashing so inherently lame- because you are looking at issues thru tunnel vision. But as someone so brilliantly pointed out earlier, 6th Gen you have a remarkable way of exposing the stupidity of though that got us into our current crisis.
Ironically, you are doing great damage to your own position. Please continue????..
P.S. ? I?m still waiting on you to explain your premise that ?Islam is the most violent civilization on history? from the last thread. I noticed you high tailed it outa there pretty quick once the facts started flying.
Interesting, given your tendency to remind us all of your intellect, I would have thought the opportunity to formulate and defend a logical argument would have appealed to you????
Oh that gives me a splendid idea!
Lets all poke fun at how easy it is to look at issues thru a tunnel vision approach to facts, and demonize any group, including our own.
Join me in a new thread where we give the 6thGen treatment to White people!
What terrorizes me most is not so much the Islamic extremist, but rather my fellow Americans that display such a heavy-handed combination of arrogance, ignorance and hate. Why do I get the impression that a frequent drinker of this thread has a hero sized poster of Timothy McVeigh on his basement wall.
There are people who can see , accept, and understand differences in others and those that cannot. MF and 6thgen cannot. Others can post evidence and arguments to help them see the light till the cows come home and it will be useless. God herself could tell them they are wrong and they wouldn't buy it.
The rest of us should have a drink together and thank God we don't have all that pent up anger and hatred to deal with.
um yeah..that's it
honestly, i'm so shocked by the narrowmindedness of some of these answers i don't know how to respond.
i agree with alqueda in that it is quite easy to get americans fixated on themselves in these issues. they really do believe it's all about them. and all about their approach racism or diversity and it really has nothing to do with facist islamicists or their mission.
it's an incredibly patronizing view of the rest of the world.
i think that for some people like rancid who OBSESS on differences because they live and work and exist in such a homogoneous world they kind of only know a shopping mall version of multiculturalism. so i understand that somebody like that would critique my perception because someone like me, who has worked with NGOs and lived in other countries and has a family made up of people from other nations is just so foriegn to him.
you have an idea in your head of what it means to be tolerant of others, but you have never bothered listening to or living with others. the way you speak to me is proof of that. i would encourage you to try to look beyond your americanized view of the world.
ironically, it's VERY difficult for many americans to understand how much people from other country's admire and like america and it's way of life. AND the fact that they are free to criticize it
unlike the situations in their own countries. i truly believe that for many uneducated americans or propagandized americans, they believe to hate themselves and their country is the equivalent of being tolerant and understanding of others. it's so sad and such a xenophobic viewpoint.
30Gay,
First, I agree that fundamental religion is the problem. However, there is nothing in the Bible that supports what Rev. Fred Phelps stated. The wages of sin is death. However, the death that is being spoken of is in the eternal sense, not death by stoning. The world is full of folks who use the Bible to further their own means, but it does not make their distortions true. I'm not as familiar with Judaism, but I'll bet that the stonings of homosexuals in the name of Allah are far more recent and far more in number than any in Yahweh's.
As for the most violent statement, I thought that was a bit obvious hyperbole. Again, I'm not the one that started the Muslim bashing, I'm quoting a Muslim reformer, who I admire. I wish there were more Muslims like him.
First, I agree that fundamental religion is the problem. However, there is nothing in the Bible that supports what Rev. Fred Phelps stated. The wages of sin is death. However, the death that is being spoken of is in the eternal sense, not death by stoning. The world is full of folks who use the Bible to further their own means, but it does not make their distortions true. I'm not as familiar with Judaism, but I'll bet that the stonings of homosexuals in the name of Allah are far more recent and far more in number than any in Yahweh's.
As for the most violent statement, I thought that was a bit obvious hyperbole. Again, I'm not the one that started the Muslim bashing, I'm quoting a Muslim reformer, who I admire. I wish there were more Muslims like him.