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ShallowsNole

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Jun 22, 2005
4,279
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Pt Washington
Here4Good - IIRC, we had single district voting in one election, in the late '80's or early '90s. It was the biggest mess, and we went back to county-wide voting in the next election. If I am not remembering correctly, perhaps someone who keeps better track of these things will post and correct me.

Why was it a mess? We elected the late Col Bob Fleet as our District 5 commissioner, and that was a good thing. However, none of us had any say as to who filled the other four seats. That was not a good thing. If the citizens of South Walton, or DeFuniak, or Eucheeanna, or Choctaw Beach, etc only elect one commissioner, that's one out of 5. And the other four have no responsibility to answer to citizens who do not live in their districts. That might work for state politics, but not in a county. Each elected commissioner and/or school board member represents a district, but answers to every voter in the county. And that is how it should be. The reason that we in SoWal feel that our votes don't count is that the vast majority of us (not necessarily on this board, but the general public) don't come out to vote until the general election. By then, many county races are decided. :bang:

In reference to my county job...yes, I work for a constitutional officer. Yes, twelve years ago I went through a competitive interview process after seeing the employment ad in the DeFuniak Herald, but there were still questions about why I was selected, and these questions lingered for several years. Because of certain members of my own family, plus the fact that EVERYBODY knows ShallowsFuzz, it was widely assumed that the good old boy network was alive and well. And I felt insulted and hurt, because I had worked very, very hard for the education that, at the time, was a prerequisite for my position. I'm still a little defensive, if you can't tell. :blush:

As far as it being difficult to get a county job, yes, it is right now because there is a hiring freeze. But in the nearly-twelve years I've worked there, we've gone through probably 25 people - 50 or more, if you count the other offices in the Annex. Therefore, steady is not a word I'd use, and many positions have been available and well advertised. As far as benefits, I ran out of both my dental and chiropractic benefits last year, and last Saturday I paid $80 for a small bottle of prescription eyedrops. I am fortunate in that my family health insurance is paid for because both I and my spouse work for different departments in Walton County. That is actually cheaper for the county than covering us individually would be. However, most of us pay out the yazoo for it, as I did during that time when Fuzz was separated from the WCSO.


And, my road was on the paving list for five years before it actually got done. If I was able to pull any strings, the rest of East Point Washington Road would be paved all the way to 395. But, it's still dirt, despite the increased traffic on it due to all my new neighbors, and I guess it will be until all the new subdivisions that won't sell go in.

Perhaps I should have made this a blog. Unfortunately, I have to go bounce down the dirt road to Publix now.
 
Here4Good - IIRC, we had single district voting in one election, in the late '80's or early '90s. It was the biggest mess, and we went back to county-wide voting in the next election. If I am not remembering correctly, perhaps someone who keeps better track of these things will post and correct me.

Why was it a mess? We elected the late Col Bob Fleet as our District 5 commissioner, and that was a good thing. However, none of us had any say as to who filled the other four seats. That was not a good thing. If the citizens of South Walton, or DeFuniak, or Eucheeanna, or Choctaw Beach, etc only elect one commissioner, that's one out of 5. And the other four have no responsibility to answer to citizens who do not live in their districts. That might work for state politics, but not in a county. Each elected commissioner and/or school board member represents a district, but answers to every voter in the county. And that is how it should be. The reason that we in SoWal feel that our votes don't count is that the vast majority of us (not necessarily on this board, but the general public) don't come out to vote until the general election. By then, many county races are decided. :bang:

In reference to my county job...yes, I work for a constitutional officer. Yes, twelve years ago I went through a competitive interview process after seeing the employment ad in the DeFuniak Herald, but there were still questions about why I was selected, and these questions lingered for several years. Because of certain members of my own family, plus the fact that EVERYBODY knows ShallowsFuzz, it was widely assumed that the good old boy network was alive and well. And I felt insulted and hurt, because I had worked very, very hard for the education that, at the time, was a prerequisite for my position. I'm still a little defensive, if you can't tell. :blush:

As far as it being difficult to get a county job, yes, it is right now because there is a hiring freeze. But in the nearly-twelve years I've worked there, we've gone through probably 25 people - 50 or more, if you count the other offices in the Annex. Therefore, steady is not a word I'd use, and many positions have been available and well advertised. As far as benefits, I ran out of both my dental and chiropractic benefits last year, and last Saturday I paid $80 for a small bottle of prescription eyedrops. I am fortunate in that my family health insurance is paid for because both I and my spouse work for different departments in Walton County. That is actually cheaper for the county than covering us individually would be. However, most of us pay out the yazoo for it, as I did during that time when Fuzz was separated from the WCSO.


And, my road was on the paving list for five years before it actually got done. If I was able to pull any strings, the rest of East Point Washington Road would be paved all the way to 395. But, it's still dirt, despite the increased traffic on it due to all my new neighbors, and I guess it will be until all the new subdivisions that won't sell go in.

Perhaps I should have made this a blog. Unfortunately, I have to go bounce down the dirt road to Publix now.

I hope you don't hold this against me,,,really. You know a thing or two about the area. Is there a network within the Powers of Justice that pass favor or not?

If you see me out and about I will submit to flogging for asking you point blank. I deserve it, but I just know you know. :bow:
 

florida girl

Beach Fanatic
Feb 3, 2006
1,453
67
Santa Rosa Beach
SN, remember how long it took to get Powerline Road paved? Col. Fleet was our hero and actually got it done! What a guy! Can't say much for his foreman... I like the at large elections, really has nothing to do with SoWaller's, it has to do with culture, ideals, and what matters most to those of similar opinions. Commissioners should work for all the people in their district particularly, not just their particular groups. Our former representative tended to favor her own, not the whole.
 

Matt J

SWGB
May 9, 2007
24,862
9,670
I appreciate your points, believe me.

Short story from earlier today: I'm in a hearing on a Motion in Judges Chambers. During witness cross-examination I ask the witness how she knows that a certain property sold for a certain amount. She says, public record. I ask, what does that mean exactly. Now squirming, she says, I looked it up in the Official Records. Again I ask, what precisely did you look at to determine your opinion. Now red faced and stammering her attorney writes/slides her a note on a sticky that says in bold:$900,000 DOC STAMPS. I was lucky to see the quick switch and bring it to Judges attention. He looks at me and shrugs his shoulders.

When did you receive your law degree?
 
When did you receive your law degree?

I wish I was an attorney. I only represent myself, sometimes. I read some stuff I found called the Constitution a couple times. That lead me to read the writings of Tom Jefferson. Which usually leads a novice to read transcripts of Abe Lincoln's examinations. Then I was hooked, and had to read this book called Black's Law cover to cover. It's a trap though, once you read Black's you're stuck buying and reading everything ever written by Bryan Garner. That's how they get you.

And I thought I was streetsmart, I fell for the oldest trick in the book.
 
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Here4Good

Beach Fanatic
Jul 10, 2006
1,264
529
Point Washington
SN, I think this is my point - I am not saying that the system doesn't work most of the time, I am just saying it is closed. I know that the hiring process for the county is fair; frankly, everyone I have worked with in the offices at the Annex beats the pants off of the folks I had to deal with in Georgia. Every time I go into Rhonda Skipper's office I want to buy everyone there donuts.

The point is, you are in the network, you know how things work and you know how to get things done. When you are on the outside, things look like a stone wall. We find out about events long after they happen, and when they don't make sense, you can't get an answer from anyone about why they happened (like the ridiculously overpriced parcel the School District bought for the new middle school in PW, or the beachfront property the county bought because the guy wasn't allowed to build condos there, or the county commissioner who built all of the temporary seawalls). When the DEP has to resort to helicopters to find out where temporary seawalls are, you have a closed county government.

I imagine that you and your family have been in the network so long, you can't imagine what it is like to live outside of it and how hard it is to comprehend what it going on.
 

Matt J

SWGB
May 9, 2007
24,862
9,670
I wish I was an attorney. I only represent myself, sometimes. I read some stuff I found called the Constitution a couple times. That lead me to read the writings of Tom Jefferson. Which usually leads a novice to read transcripts of Abe Lincoln's examinations. Then I was hooked, and had to read this book called Black's Law cover to cover. It's a trap though, once you read Black's you're stuck buying and reading everything ever written by Bryan Garner. That's how they get you.

And I thought I was streetsmart, I fell for the oldest trick in the book.

I'm sure you get this all the time in legal proceedings, but you are aware that someone who acts as their own attorney has a fool for a client?

SN, I think this is my point - I am not saying that the system doesn't work most of the time, I am just saying it is closed. I know that the hiring process for the county is fair; frankly, everyone I have worked with in the offices at the Annex beats the pants off of the folks I had to deal with in Georgia. Every time I go into Rhonda Skipper's office I want to buy everyone there donuts.

The point is, you are in the network, you know how things work and you know how to get things done. When you are on the outside, things look like a stone wall. We find out about events long after they happen, and when they don't make sense, you can't get an answer from anyone about why they happened (like the ridiculously overpriced parcel the School District bought for the new middle school in PW, or the beachfront property the county bought because the guy wasn't allowed to build condos there, or the county commissioner who built all of the temporary seawalls). When the DEP has to resort to helicopters to find out where temporary seawalls are, you have a closed county government.

I imagine that you and your family have been in the network so long, you can't imagine what it is like to live outside of it and how hard it is to comprehend what it going on.

I think you are still being incredibly insulting. All of the issues you list are related to the BCC and not the individual county offices. SN is basically low woman on the totem pole. No one other than the Sheriff really has a standing over the BCC. If you want to lose your job with the county real quick though, stand up and point out mistakes, errors, or down right illegal behavior by a memeber of the BCC.

The actions of the BCC are not for the county employees to monitor, but the citizens who elect them.

P.S. I lived in Bay County for 10 years and I can tell you that the county staff in Walton County is beyond superior in knowledge, helpfulness, and overall competency.
 

mdd88jd

Beach Lover
May 26, 2008
155
210
I voted against buying the "ridiculously overpriced" parcel for the new middle school. Not so much for the price, which I thought was high, but we bought without access to Highway 98. We eventually got the access, but, that lack of access had me worried.

If I am a good ole boy, and it is arguable that I am, I am not very good at being one. My brother was demoted and my sister fired in a span of 13 months from jobs within in the school system. They both loved those jobs and were crushed by the action. So what does that tell you about "good ole boys" in the school system. :dunno:
 

Here4Good

Beach Fanatic
Jul 10, 2006
1,264
529
Point Washington
SWGB, I think I already stated that I though the staff here was excellent. Twice.

I also never said that anyone here had anything to do with the events I described.

I said that people in the network have an easier time understanding WHY these things happened.
 
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