6thgen, I don't know how you propose that we get them to stop doing it to each other, but it's getting worse over there, not better, and we should leave before another 3000 volunteers get killed or worse.
Not according to the latest reports that the surge is showing progress. And I don't care if they do it to each other, or at least I don't want to risk American lives for it. I care that they are trying and were overtly threatening the US. If you want to get into it, read a few threads down the board first where I've stated all of this.
there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we showed up.
Wrong. Again, go back and read up where I've refuted this before I have to again.

As if reasoning and logic will somehow make sense this time.

...and I thought going on a diet was torture! I am bitter about those extra pounds.