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shellyswanger

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I have to agree that I got a good laugh about the Party Line Social column...Not being a member of the 30-a posse myself I find the weekly updates about what the same 30 people are doing really obnoxious. I don't think I would really want everybody in South Walton to know everytime I went out to dinner or left town! We laugh each week during the 5 seconds it takes to read the Walton Sun....Not much content in the paper. The Beachcomber is a much better read!
 
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30ashopper

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Unfortunately, this is an issue that tends to evoke a lot of emotion from the "drill baby drill" types also. What fact-crunching has led anybody to think that drilling for more oil in the Gulf will have any effect on the price of oil on the world wide market? What difference will it make in our involvement in the Middle East? We didn't get into the war in Iraq and Afghanistan for oil. According to the President of the United States we got into these wars to fight Al Queda and spread democracy. Unless, somebody in the government was lying...pretty far-fetched, huh?


You and I seem to be looking at this through two different lenses. I'm concerned about our energy policy, and our energy supply. We need to make changes that have broad based coverage and long term solutions in mind. Conservation, efficiency, local exploration and production of fuels, nuclear energy capacity, and research on alternative energies all play a part. I support additional exploration because it fits my view of what we should be doing now to prepare for the day the last drop of oil gets pumped. Our natural gas supply will play a critical role in this. If we've got resources we can access safely, we should start researching it now. They will get tapped at some point no matter what.
 

30ashopper

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everyone is this country should be an enviro type, not a polluto type

By "enviro types" I mean the folks who react to this subject emotionally without considering the fact or long term consequenses. I agree everyone should be working to conserve use of energy. I certainly am.
 

Lake View Too

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Again, the amont of oil we could possibly get from the eastern Gulf would be a drop in the bucket in the world wide energy scheme of things. I agree, along with T Boone Pickens (who knows a lot more about the subject than I do) that we should be utilizing natural gas much much more than we do now. The problem is converting automobiles to use natural gas is daunting. The reason we should be converting is that we already have found vast amounts of natural gas in the places we have already exploited.
 

TooFarTampa

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Nice post 30ashop, and I agree about the natural gas. But thinking logically, how certain can we be that drilling off our beaches will not negatively impact our stunningly beautiful beaches?

There is no room for error here. Any oil issues with our beaches -- tar balls of any amount -- would devastate us economically. It would ruin us. Let's just start with natural gas and go from there. Why does that not make sense?
 

30A Skunkape

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Time to ascend the soapbox again on this topic.

I agree with those contending that drilling for oil nearshore or offshore will probably not result in environmental destruction. I base this on my experiences growing up in Louisiana. I have to laugh at those who talk about Louisiana's beaches and wetlands as though they look like Prince William Sound after the Valdez spill. The fact is that the beach in Louisiana is muddy, dank, dirty and the water is brown. Not because of oil, mind you, but because of a certain river you might have heard of named the Mississippi. Does that mean the beach is ugly? Well, that depends on your point of view;they are beautiful to marine life and host what I dare speculate is the richest biomass in the country. They also call like sirens to anglers, crabbers, shrimpers, hunters, birders and naturalists. But they are ugly in the sense that they do not shimmer and glow white like our beloved Florida panhandle beaches.

What is interesting to me is the fact that drilling proponents try to ease our fears by noting that petroleum processing will take place in Louisiana or Texas. Well, let me once again shout it out-Louisiana's coast is DISAPPEARING! Not slowly, but quickly. Why? First, and most important, building levees prevents natural river flooding that naturally would dump sediment into the marshes to renourish them after hurricanes, high tide, etc. Secondly, and more important to note for Floridians, is the effect petroleum companies have had. They have cut a patchwork of canals in the marsh over time, and these certainly have contributed to the washaway. You might figure that the petroleum companies might be willing to step up to the plate and fix what they have damaged, but you would be wrong. Hundreds, if not thousands of these cuts remain today, disappearing only after they have been consumed by open water, along with the terra firma surrounding them. So it makes you wonder, if they are not willing to 'make it right' in light of the devastating hurricanes that have struck Louisiana over the last few years, made deadlier in part by the wetland destruction, what might they be willing to overlook in Florida?

I propose that before ANY new waters be open to drilling, FIX Louisiana's wetlands first! Doesn't that make sense in light of the fact that much of the petroleum scheduled for extraction in Florida is supposed to be brought to Louisiana for processing?

Please take a few minutes to view the attached video to get a better understanding of where I am coming from!:wave:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMogtYhduU&feature=channel"]YouTube- America's Energy Coast[/ame]
 

beachmouse

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I agree with those contending that drilling for oil nearshore or offshore will probably not result in environmental destruction.

Counterpoint: the recent giant and difficult to stop oil spill off the coast of Australia in the East Timor Sea:

Huge Australian Oil Spill Raises Questions - CBS Evening News - CBS News

Just how much has spilled is uncertain. Environmental groups say satellite photos show its spread across more than 9,000 square miles and estimate some 9 million gallons have poured into the ocean - nearly as much as the 11 million gallons that escaped from the Exxon Valdez in Alaska.

"There's no cleanup technology available on earth to clean up a spill that big," said Richard Charter of Defenders of Wildlife.

Drilling in the eastern Gulf is also made more difficult (and consequently more expensive) because anyexploration and potential above sea level structures have to gain the approval of the Department of Defense because those waters are considered to be part of the Eglin Range.
 

30ashopper

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Again, the amont of oil we could possibly get from the eastern Gulf would be a drop in the bucket in the world wide energy scheme of things. I agree, along with T Boone Pickens (who knows a lot more about the subject than I do) that we should be utilizing natural gas much much more than we do now. The problem is converting automobiles to use natural gas is daunting. The reason we should be converting is that we already have found vast amounts of natural gas in the places we have already exploited.

The problems we face go way beyond the cars we drive, electricity production is a huge consumer of energy resources - coal, oil, and natural gas power everything. Take a look at the outputs on the right of this graph -

USEnergyImportExportGraph.jpg


I think we can all agree that increasing anything on the left that is more efficient, easier on the environment, and is produced domestically helps. Especially considering our consumption continues to increase year after year, while our domestic production declines.

FWIW, from what I've read about the Destin Dome, it's a natural gas resource, not oil.
 
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30ashopper

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I propose that before ANY new waters be open to drilling, FIX Louisiana's wetlands first! Doesn't that make sense in light of the fact that much of the petroleum scheduled for extraction in Florida is supposed to be brought to Louisiana for processing?

I'm still trying to understand why programs to solve problems like this failed to get any stimulus funding. :dunno:
 

Lake View Too

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Skunkape: Your post made it sound like their was quite a bit of enviornmental degradation in the marshlands of the Mississippi delta. The videos made it sound like the residents of these states were asking for help, for investment, or something to that effect. There are ambiguities, no doubt, in this issue, but in all honesty, we have to think provincially: why should we completely forfeit our stewardship of this magnificent region, for everyone to come here and enjoy, for the sake of literally drops of oil in the world oil market. I wish all of you could see the Ken Burn's documentary of "The National Parks, The Greatest Thing We Ever Did". I got so choked up and filled with patriotism when I saw the efforts and sacrifices our ancestors endured to preserve what precious parts of this country they saved. We have to think like that...
 
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