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[Lou Deman]

Kinzinger? Lt. Colonel Kinzinger who serve in Iraq and Afghanistan and was totally unafraid of the consequences of doing his duty to help discover what happened on Jan. 6?
Your belief this American is less of man than pussygrabbing, heel spur chickensht, traitorous, lying, convicted rapist, trump says a hell of lot about you and those like you.

Man this guy know all of the leftist talking points

 

[Lake View Too]

One of the few Republicans remaining who believes in doing his duty and respecting the rule of law. I'm sure glad he has rid himself of the stink associated with being a piece of the GQP.

 

[mputnal]

Your quote 'The fact that you would rather call this complicated says a lot...' is a unneeded jab so I come over the top

I imagine you are asking if I agree with these comments

I think your definition of "man" may be different.
A man should be honest and truthful even when it hurts.
A man should respect women and learn how to change old ways.
A man should be able to handle criticism and acknowledge when he is wrong.

Yes a man should be honest all the time, hurt should not factor in unless dealing with small children
Yes a man should respect woman until the point that they shouldn't
As far as learning how to change old ways it depend on what you are talking about
Yes a man should be able to handle criticism and admit when he is wrong

Understand that I never throw the first punch but I do come back hard because once someone shows me they do not want to be civil then lets be all the way uncivil (at least thats how I react)

Whenever someone asks me something here I give my honest opinion on the matter

Lets try again, if there is anything you would like to ask me please feel free
Thanks

Okay but it is not complicated.

Sometimes the truth is going to hurt. We all makes mistakes. Sometimes they are stupid mistakes. Sometimes you would rather not admit the mistake. Sometimes there will be a price to pay. I know you understand this.

Changing old ways is not complicated. It was not that long ago that women could not own property or vote or do anything but stay home and have babies. Just one example of thousands.

You keep talking about throwing punches. Why? Either it is a conversation or not. When we react instead of reason it is usually not civil. You can do a lot better and so can I.

Here is some truth that may or may not hurt. From the way you "react" in this forum I think you are not being honest with yourself. The guy you support is not good for this country or you. I think you know this but you have gotten caught up in "owning the libs". You have taken it to the level of street fighting and trying to prove that you are a bigger man. I hear that BS on fox news and conservative talk shows and even some from my own family. It makes me sick every time I hear it but I try not to react. I actually want to understand how so many men believe that a politician or a talk show can make you believe that supporting a movement to "own the libs" has any value whatsoever. It does not make you a real man. Kind of the opposite. So here is the truth. We do not live in a world where being left or right makes us a man. It is all a scam made to divide us. There are issues. There are differences of opinions. There is right and wrong. There is truth and lies. Reacting is emotion and truth takes reason...

 

[Lou Deman]

One of the few Republicans remaining who believes in doing his duty and respecting the rule of law. I'm sure glad he has rid himself of the stink associated with being a piece of the GQP.

You spelled democrat wrong

 

[Lou Deman]

And you have all the GQP fascist talking points

You forgot to add racist , homophobic, and xenophobic

 

[Lou Deman]

Okay but it is not complicated.

Sometimes the truth is going to hurt. We all makes mistakes. Sometimes they are stupid mistakes. Sometimes you would rather not admit the mistake. Sometimes there will be a price to pay. I know you understand this.

Changing old ways is not complicated. It was not that long ago that women could not own property or vote or do anything but stay home and have babies. Just one example of thousands.

You keep talking about throwing punches. Why? Either it is a conversation or not. When we react instead of reason it is usually not civil. You can do a lot better and so can I.

Here is some truth that may or may not hurt. From the way you "react" in this forum I think you are not being honest with yourself. The guy you support is not good for this country or you. I think you know this but you have gotten caught up in "owning the libs". You have taken it to the level of street fighting and trying to prove that you are a bigger man. I hear that BS on fox news and conservative talk shows and even some from my own family. It makes me sick every time I hear it but I try not to react. I actually want to understand how so many men believe that a politician or a talk show can make you believe that supporting a movement to "own the libs" has any value whatsoever. It does not make you a real man. Kind of the opposite. So here is the truth. We do not live in a world where being left or right makes us a man. It is all a scam made to divide us. There are issues. There are differences of opinions. There is right and wrong. There is truth and lies. Reacting is emotion and truth takes reason...

Being a man can be extremely complicated

Lets say you and the wife are out for dinner
A guy walks up and smacks her on the bottom
What is a man to do?
Do you punch him in the mouth?
Do you ask him why he did it?
Do you make sure shes OK first?

All of the answers are right so which do you go with?

Yes we all make mistakes but admitting them shouldn't be an issue
Making mistakes is just part of the process to be embarrassed or whatever by this means you don't understand this point

Just last week I laid out a set of concrete stairs and did not notice a head room issue above
I had to jackhammer them out and redo them
I have laid out thousands of stairs but I didn't check it
I'm not embarrassed but it is going cost me a pretty penny
All the guys on site wanted me to hide this mistake but I tore them down and am redoing them because it is the right thing to do

Nobody said changing ways is complicated
I said it depends what your talking about
Bringing up stuff from 2 or 3 generations ago is odd because we are in a constant state of improvement

The last paragraph is where you lose me
To say I am not honest with myself just means you have no idea who you are talking to
In order to lie to any of you I would have to care about you
If anything I am too honest in my day to day but you don't know me at all so your judgement is off base and it means nothing to me
To say trump is not good for the country is your opinion
If my choices are trump and biden I go with trump every time, I don't need a saint to read me the gospel

I, nor no one I know cares about owning the libs, they will do that to themselves
I find it funny that the left is the fuel on which trump runs
If your side would just let him slip into the night then he would go away, he feeds on your attention.

I have never felt the need to be the bigger man, I know what I am
I don't like to fight but when someone throws first I enjoy the retaliation through multiplication

Being a man has nothing to do with politics at all

 

[Lou Deman]

 

[mputnal]

I would punch him in the mouth first because he crossed a line. Then I would go to jail because I may have broken his jaw. This has happened to a cousin of mine who I had to bail out of jail a long time ago. Eventually he went to trial and it changed his life. I asked him would he do things different now that he has learned that actions have consequences. He said he would tell the guy that if he does that again that he would file charges. You or I could make that same mistake in punching the guy in the mouth but there will be consequences. Those consequences should give us pause to choose a better way. I don’t really know what I would do but I hope I would find a better way than hitting the guy in the mouth. I believe I would ask my wife if she is okay first then ask the guy to apologize to my wife. I have lived and learned long enough to know that when I react instead of reason it usually turns out to be a mistake.

I think you did the right thing by fixing that mistake. It was not really complicated right? We just choose to do the right thing and move on. Punching yourself in the mouth does not help anything. I have done things like that also.

When you say you never throw the first punch can you honestly say that is the truth? Think before you react. You know what the truth is. Don’t blame others for your reactions or actions.

Voting has consequences. If the choice is Biden or Trump to represent me and my family I will of course vote for Biden. So there is a big difference between you and I but it is not because we are some left or right half humans. It is because we have a different value system. One of those individuals is a divider and has no problem excluding and one is really trying to be a Uniter by including. So instead of left and right why don’t we call it what it is: uniting or dividing. Think about it before you react. Which one is better?

 

[Matt J]

 

[mputnal]

Matt, if all people would understand that they are drinking poison by reacting to these culture war messages in song or speech then we might all get along just a little better. The person that broke down the message in that song is smarter than most of us put together. She is 100% correct!!!