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SHELLY

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Jun 13, 2005
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CDs paying 5.3% are fine, but they do lock you in. If you buy a 5-year CD you?ll probably wind up paying a penalty equivalent to 9 month?s interest if you withdraw the cash early. If you buy a shorter term CD, you could take a significant income hit if the Fed reduces rates and you?re left reinvesting at 3.5%, etc.

Bonds are just as ?bad.? What maturities do you buy? If rates increase, the value of your bonds will fall. Of course, you?ll always get the par value of the bond at maturity (you hope). Maybe you?ll buy long-term bonds and rates will fall ? then you?ll be looking good until rates increase again.:dunno:

Money market rates change constantly, so you can?t count on them to significantly increase your wealth over time.

Stocks might not be a bad choice, but can believe the financial statements of the companies you?re buying?

I guess I?m a proponent of a diversified portfolio. If you don?t own real estate, buy some.

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Bobby J

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I would recommend you rent as well...especially if you're going to be here during the Fall and Winter months, you'll be able to get a REALLY good rental deal on a house or condo--the pick of the litter! Take your time, look around, burn up the Realtors' gas, crunch the numbers (insurance & taxes). If you've got a pre-approved mortgage in your hip pocket and some cash to put down, you're going to be treated like a Rock Star.

This is true unless you have a house load of kids and you are trying to get a life started in SOWAL. You would have to move twice, probably get a storage unit, pay all the hookup fees, new address, etc, As much as you like to sleep at night with your paid off mortgage some folks feel settled in not renting. Plus there are really good buys out there.
 

bdc63

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Jun 12, 2006
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Looks like I lost my "median housing pricing cost" chart on the above post. Sorry. Oh well, you can reproduce it yourself, as follows:


Economagic.com

click on "house sales" under "census bureau"

then click on "US: median price homes sold indlucing land price: monthly" under "price of houses sold"

click on "gif chart"

change the date range from 1970 to 2006


This site has lots of other economic data as well that is hard to find all in one place (with tools to sort and graph it). Fellow data junkies will love it.
 
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Jdarg

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This is true unless you have a house load of kids and you are trying to get a life started in SOWAL. You would have to move twice, probably get a storage unit, pay all the hookup fees, new address, etc, As much as you like to sleep at night with your paid off mortgage some folks feel settled in not renting. Plus there are really good buys out there.

You make a good point. I don't want to move twice (once is hard enough), so I don't want to rent a house or hassle with a storage unit. Or even try and find a rental with a fenced yard and pet friendly for 4 pets- it is not likely landlords will come calling offering their rental with a mob like ours. We have 2 kids, 2 dogs, and 2 cats- the drive down alone will be brutal. We don't have a paid off mortgage here, so I don't expect we will have one there either!:rotfl:
 

Rita

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This is true unless you have a house load of kids and you are trying to get a life started in SOWAL. You would have to move twice, probably get a storage unit, pay all the hookup fees, new address, etc, As much as you like to sleep at night with your paid off mortgage some folks feel settled in not renting. Plus there are really good buys out there.

So true. Our present renters moved when the home they were leasing went up for sale. They asked if it was possible to get a two year lease and we ended with a three year lease and will extend that I'm sure. They clearly do not want to have to move a whole house full of furniture, etc. again soon.

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bdc63

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Jun 12, 2006
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You make a good point. I don't want to move twice (once is hard enough), so I don't want to rent a house or hassle with a storage unit. Or even try and find a rental with a fenced yard and pet friendly for 4 pets- it is not likely landlords will come calling offering their rental with a mob like ours. We have 2 kids, 2 dogs, and 2 cats- the drive down alone will be brutal. We don't have a paid off mortgage here, so I don't expect we will have one there either!:rotfl:

Pets do make it tough to rent ... although I find kids to be the more distructive ... go figure.

We live in suburban Baltimore - one of the overheated real estate markets. Last summer, when the prices got really absurd here, we started to seriously look into selling and renting for a year or two. We could have paid our rent from the interest off the money we got out of the house. We could have already re-bought our house for about $120K less than it would have sold for. Who knows where it will be a year from now as "consumer sentiment" continues to deteriorate.

I kick myself everyday.

Cash is King right now ... and so are renters.
 

SHELLY

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You make a good point. I don't want to move twice (once is hard enough), so I don't want to rent a house or hassle with a storage unit. Or even try and find a rental with a fenced yard and pet friendly for 4 pets- it is not likely landlords will come calling offering their rental with a mob like ours. We have 2 kids, 2 dogs, and 2 cats- the drive down alone will be brutal. We don't have a paid off mortgage here, so I don't expect we will have one there either!:floor:

How are you planning to transition?

Have you sold your present house yet? Or are you going to put it on the market, and buy a house here at the same time? (And hold 2 mortgages.)
 

Jdarg

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How are you planning to transition?

Have you sold your present house yet? Or are you going to put it on the market, and buy a house here at the same time? (And hold 2 mortgages.)


My house sold in a week here, so no, don't have to do 2 mortgages.:D
 

Cork On the Ocean

directionally challenged
You mention that if you are an end-user you would go ahead and buy, but if you are a flipper/investor... you should wait...

How do you come to this logic that a end user should sign up to lose money, but yet a flipper/investor should stay away...
I just don't get the logic of telling an end user he should sign up today when all market indications point to a major correction of prices over the next few years...

Not to put words into anyone's mouth but I don't think that anyone was implying that you will lose money if you are an end user. I think the point was that the current market is not conducive to short term returns (AKA flippers). The market being cyclical, right now we are in a low and if you aren't looking for the quick return and can sit until the market comes up again, you'll make money whether you're an end user or a traditional investor. "Buy low and sell high" is axiomatic to any investor seeking a profit. I didn't really see in your post if your question is related to a short term or long term investment goal. Maybe it's just.... I love Sowal, have always wanted a place there and maybe now I can afford it?

It's clear that it's a buyer's market. If you want a place, throw out offers with a good negotiator and somebody will bite at a below market price. They've been doing it all summer. We closed on a place yesterday that was asking $1.695 mil. The sold price was $1.275 mil. That's 75% of asking. It took some negotiation but the point is that there are many motivated sellers out there. The seller had paid $1.3mil in early 2004.

As to your question, is it a good time to wait: Nobody knows when the prices will turn upward. The odd thing is that when we look at overall AVERAGE Price, it isn't really going down, just the opposite. I think that's still the case, isn't it SJ? NUMBER of sales are what is dropping so bad so if the AVERAGE price of a home isn't going down, the question becomes should I try to grab one by a desperate seller now or gamble on the overall cost of a home to start going down in the sowal area? :dunno: .
The Haas Center at the University of West Florida has released there 2007 predictions. They produce a plethora of data which is specifically geared towards the Northwest Florida market as opposed to national data.



You will note the upswing prediction for 1st quarter 2007 which places us above Jan 2003 but still below Jan 2004. Also, note that the data provided is the "number" of sales, not the average sale price. To answer you question related to lower prices: Yes, you are seeing asking prices that are lower as many sellers have lowered prices but the bulk have not lowered below SOLD comps. Prices were much higher in late 2004 and early 2005 but most didn't sell. This doesn't mean that the price of buying a home has gone down, it just means that the "asking" price has gone down. This is why the average prices are holding because the "sold" price is what determines statistical sales, not asking.

The entire article on Northwest Florida Real Estate Activity is at:
http://haas.uwf.edu/article.asp?articleID=232

More good stuff at:
http://haas.uwf.edu/
 

Cork On the Ocean

directionally challenged
Regarding current supply. Anybody got the link to this data. DSF - 48 months.

With today's Walton County DSF inventory at 2401. That would mean only 50 homes/month or 150/each quarter. First quarter 2006 was 301 DSF's which is way low and predicted to increase for 2007 - At 301 DSF sales per quarter (103.33/month) that would put the current DSF inventory (with no demand increase) at about 24 months.

Am not disputing the predictions but would just like a little more info on how it was derived. I'm wondering if the Haas data of 301 DSF sales for 1st quarter 2006 is derived from the county clerk's office sooooo ran MLS data which for 1/1/06-3/31/06 is 197 sold DSF's in Walton county (somewhere in between). Of course then if we use county data for sales, we also need to use FSBO's for homes on the market which is pretty low. My guess is that many of the extra 100 solds at Haas are primarily sales that realtors didn't enter into the MLS (maybe precons, bulk purchases etc). And as we know, various data sources provide different figures so this isn't surprising. Hopefully the number of sales will increase and current DSF inventory will last 24-36 months. :dunno:

Am still interested in how the 48 months DSF supply was derived or which source it's coming from if anyone has it. Is it all of Walton, South Walton, all of Ecar, all of Emerald Coast? Thanks in advance for any further info.
 
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