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Gidget

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May 27, 2009
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WOW what a thread this has turned out to be. Hot dogs, hell, Jesus, chemicals in the brain, Annie Laurie Gaylor (I've met her husband Dan Barker - he has such an interesting story to his "conversion".) She can be a bit pushy though. I've seen her in action too.

1st - Jesus - welcome to the forum but.... "Prove to me that you're no fool - walk across my swimming pool!" :lol::lol:

2nd - never had a Hebrew National Hot Dog

3rd - Regarding HELL. Einstein said, "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts."

Personally, I don't see why any benevolent Creator would create HELL for his/her creation - and don't forget, one could be tossed there for a thought crime! We are talking torture for eternity! Come on, this is 2010!!

But basically I'm with Ross Perot when asked years ago about God and he said "That's too cosmic for me!" :D

Here's the rest of what Einstein said to close out my contribution to this interesting thread:

"I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."

Now, that calls for a walk in Nature today :love: We certainly have our little piece of Heaven right here don't we! :wave:

TTFN
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Oh SNAP - I almost forgot. The Virgin of Guadalupe turned up at MY house yesterday!! That's right. In a piece of wood that I was staining. Check it out!

virginmary-1.jpg
 

Teresa

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WOW what a thread this has turned out to be. Hot dogs, hell, Jesus, chemicals in the brain, ...

TTFN
G

Oh SNAP - I almost forgot. The Virgin of Guadalupe turned up at MY house yesterday!! That's right. In a piece of wood that I was staining. Check it out!

virginmary-1.jpg

:Dwow, it is the virgin of Guadal! I do adore the Virgin of Guadalupe and she lives in my kitchen! we also like to make virgin mary toast whenever we get a chance, thanks to the handy dandy virgin mary toast cutter/stamp thingy jdarg gave me for christmas one year.
 

Jesus

Beach Lover
1st - Jesus - welcome to the forum but.... "Prove to me that you're no fool - walk across my swimming pool!" :lol::lol:

Hopefully you kid. It's too cold for the pool thing. Maybe after March.

3rd - Regarding HELL. Einstein said, "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts."

Personally, I don't see why any benevolent Creator would create HELL for his/her creation - and don't forget, one could be tossed there for a thought crime! We are talking torture for eternity! Come on, this is 2010!!

You and Al are right. And wrong.

Hope this answers your questions. Have a nice day, Gidget.

P.S. That's not the Virgin of Guadalupe on the wood you were staining. It's an octopus I saw on a recent fishing trip.
 

Jesus

Beach Lover
I don't buy into the 'chemical computer' theories as it simplifies things far too much. Indeed our brain is made up of complex chemicals and neurons and synapses that work to process information very similar to a computer.However a computer, regardless of complexity, is a device of pure logic. It is fed data, processes it and comes out with an answer or end result. As long as the data stays the same and the program is unchanged, the answer is always the same. With humans another factor comes into play...self awareness. Negative and positive feedback systems no longer hold sway as being a contrary creature, humans can make decisions outside of the normal parameters of a situation based on abstractions and concepts and even emotions. Sure, evolution has ensured much of our makeup is based on logical constructs of survival, but somewhere along the line we became something more. Consciousness and self awareness take us beyond the realm and predictability of standard systems. Moral and ethical concepts and emotions such as love are much more than a chemical reaction, they are part of our transcendence to something greater.

Well said. This is actually pretty darn close to how it works. Keep up the good work. Take Sunday off.
 

Smiling JOe

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beautyHunter said:
Which God do you serve? The Creator or The almighty dollar?
The premise of your question is invalid, because though people may praise money, money is not God. Even if money were, the "dollar" wouldn't be, it would more likely be gold.

BTW, you keep using the pronoun, "he" when referring to God. Who says God has a sex?

Here is a philosophical question for you, if God is "The Creator," what created God?

The definition I think most of us use for "God," is "the supreme being." If that is true, by definition, all other things such as the dollar, are inferior to God, and therefore there cannot be a choice of more than one God, because other than God, all others are less than God.
 
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