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30ashopper

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I think you must be right--people didn't read the article before they posted. I wondered why there seemed to be at least two different conversations going on...:dunno:

I thought this was all covered fairly well in the discussion. Comparing passport rates between westerners and people who live in Europe is bogus. Now if we could break out some numbers on how many Europeans have travelled outside their continent, that might make for an interesting comparison. My guess is those numbers would be about the same as ours, why? because it's freaking expensive, and most people can't afford it. :D The only point in that article that made any sense to me was the section on our "work culture", we do tend to work more and vacation less. That's just a cultural difference.
 

Minnie

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I read the article and I also know that it was probably somewhat self serving in that Bruce Bommarito, executive vice president and chief operating officer for the U.S. Travel Association wants more Americans to travel.

And again I will have to agree with Mango because she truly is expressing extremely well my thoughts on the subject.

In college and in my 20s I would have welcomed the opportunity to backpack across Europe etc. But financially and personally I did not have that choice.

Now at my age, anything less comfortable than my own bed at home, I am simply not interested in.

I guess to me, I can understand being curious as to why more affluent Americans do not travel, I personally am not saddened by it or appalled, which was my point.

I think the article is misleading to compare percentages of people who have a passport. I would be more interested in knowing how many of those with a passport travel to another continent as 30A mentioned.

The discussion did make me ask two family members their opinions. My niece is unmarried, in her late 20's a journalist, college degree and travels frequently to foreign exotic places and travels much as Scooterbug described.

Her father has a Phd. and has never left the US. I asked them both why you travel and why you don't.

It was actually rather simple. My niece said, she loves it. My brother said, he would rather go fishing on the lake he lives on, he finds travel very stressful. That what little time he has off, he has no desire to take on more stress.

So I really think for many it is that simple, they simply do not enjoy it.
 
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Jesus

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(CNN) -- The numbers tell the story: Of the 308 million-plus citizens in the United States, 30% have passports.
That's just too low for such an affluent country, said Bruce Bommarito, executive vice president and chief operating officer for the U.S. Travel Association.

Reliance on statistics to make a meaningless argument.

"Americans are comfortable in their own environment,"

Non-Americans are uncomfortable in their environment and think their life sucks. they are so corrrect.

There were 61.5 million trips outside the United States in 2009, down 3% from 2008, according to the Office of Travel and Tourism Industries. About 50% of those trips were to either Mexico or Canada, destinations that didn't require a passport until 2007.
The percentage of Americans with passports -- a number that was in the teens just a few years ago -- has spiked since the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative was adopted. It requires American and Canadian travelers to present documents showing citizenship when entering the United States.
Despite the climbing number of American passports in circulation, 30% is still low compared to Canada's 60% and the United Kingdom's 75%.
"Not taking the leap is comforting, because this is the American life," said Matthew Kepnes, international traveler and creator of NomadicMatt.com, a blog chronicling his travels and observations. "Breaking outside anything that is your norm is scary."
Tourism experts and avid travelers attribute Americans' lack of interest in international travel to a few key factors, including: the United States' own rich cultural and geographic diversity, an American skepticism and/or ignorance about international destinations, a work culture that prevents Americans from taking long vacations abroad and the prohibitive cost and logistics of going overseas.

Why do some people travel so much? Well, in the words of Bob Dylan, if you ain't got nothin', you got nothin' to lose.

Cultural and geographical diversity
America has it all: "From the mountains, to the prairies, to the oceans, white with foam," as "God Bless America" proclaims. Beautiful beaches in Florida, crisp skiing in Colorado and the desert sun in Arizona are among thousands of domestic destinations competing to lure visitors.
"In the United States, we have an enormous amount of places we can travel -- basically an entire continent," said everything-everywhere.com author Gary Arndt, who has been traveling abroad and blogging since 2007. "You can do all kinds of things without needing a passport."
Arndt, who was in Los Angeles when interviewed by CNN, noted that he could go to any number of different ethnic enclaves within the city and get a taste of culture without spending much money or time. The same goes for many other parts of the country.
"There are pockets of regional culture -- the South has an attitude that New Yorker's don't have," Kepnes said. "But you don't have the cultural differences that you would get if you went to Asia, Paris or London."
Even with Chinatown in Los Angeles and Little Italy in New York City, it's just not the same as walking the streets of Beijing or riding a gondola in Venice.
"America is an outstanding country and an outstanding vacation destination -- no doubt about that," said Joe Byrne, executive vice president for Tourism Ireland. "But it is America. I'm sure you have great Irish traditional music in an American Irish pub, but you don't have the Lakes of Killarney."

Basically an admisssion that Americans have no need to travel.

Skepticism and ignorance
We buy goods from Sri Lanka and outsource business to India, but when it comes to traveling to these destinations, Americans would rather stick close to home.
"Our culture doesn't emphasize knowledge of the world," Kepnes said. "We're more skeptical of it because we just don't know about it."
Kepnes attributes some of our skepticism to negative media reports about the world. For example, he said that Nicaragua always draws negative connotations because of the political and civil unrest that has been covered in the news.
"When I first left I was very nervous and scared,"Kepnes said of traveling to countries like Nicaragua. "What if I'm mugged in Thailand or kidnapped in a hostel?"
Arndt has encountered similar feelings when he travels to lesser-known destinations. Though he is comfortable in his travels, others aren't so convinced.
"Every time I say I'm going somewhere, people assume that it's dirty, they don't have good hospitals, you're going to get sick or raped or robbed," Arndt said. "If you know something about Colombia, it's drug lords, which hasn't been a problem for 20 years, but that's still what people think of."
Arndt pointed out that foreign countries generally don't make it into the media for doing good things, just for natural disasters or bad news.
"I think there's a lot of fears that people have that may be used to justify the fact that they don't go somewhere," he said.
Work culture
Many Americans follow the same pattern: work hard in high school, go to college, accrue a load of debt and get a job right away to work it off, Arndt said. The United States doesn't promote taking a year off between major life phases like New Zealand or the United Kingdom.
"Up until recently, having a gap year was a job killer, so you chose work," Kepnes said. "And that work, work, work mentality makes it much harder to leave."
A one-year break in your resume could make an American employer question your commitment to a company, whereas not taking a gap year in New Zealand would be considered crazy, Kepnes said.
"We're not a travel culture," he said. "Countries are travel cultures when they put more of an emphasis on leisure time, and Americans tend to choose money over leisure time."
Even those who do receive a nice chunk of vacation time don't use it all, and those who do seem to take shorter, more frequent trips, Arndt said.
"There are some differences in terms of vacation time that are hugely influential," Byrne said. Workers in mainland Europe receive between six and eight weeks of vacation, while Americans average about 16.6 paid vacation days as of 2005, according to the Families and Work Institute. Thirty-six percent of those surveyed didn't plan to use their full vacation.
"It's not just about how much vacation time people get," Arndt said. "Americans don't even use all the vacation time that they have."
Cost and logistics
When trying to entice Americans to visit Ireland, Byrne said the first thing he does is remind people that it's more affordable than they think.
"That's generally true of vacations to Europe," Byrne said. "The exchange rate is more favorable for Americans than it has been in recent years."
The 30.3 million Americans who traveled overseas for vacation in 2009 spent an average of $2,708 each -- including airfare, lodging and other expenditures, according to the Office of Travel and Tourism Industries. It seems that getting there is about half the battle: Average airfare per person was $1,177.
Also, as Kepnes pointed out, time is money for some Americans.
"It's an easier hop if you're in Paris or Madrid, or any other European city," Byrne said. "Whereas the flights from the East Coast of the United States take up to six hours."
The United States is so big that a flight from one state to another could take just as much time as a flight to Europe. At any rate, Americans are more likely to do the former.
"We're a big country, and we have a culture of traveling within the United States," Bommarito said. "When you're born and raised in a European or South Asian country, your access to other countries is much easier."
Arndt doesn't see this changing any time soon, if at all.
"Cultural shifts like that are not something that happens quickly," he said. A swing toward international travel is going to take time.
Still, Kepnes said he believes that more Americans going abroad will become inevitable sooner or later.
"Americans are going to have to speak more languages and be more culturally savvy," Kepnes said. "We have to change because we have to do business with all these other cultures."
That's music to Bommarito's ears. After being nervous the first time he landed in China, he said he now feels just as comfortable on the streets of Beijing as he does anywhere in the United States.
"One of the true benefits of travel to foreign countries is it's probably the greatest form of diplomacy," Bommarito said. "Strange ideas go away and you realize that we're all similar, just with different cultures." ."

Overanalysis. Most people want to enjoy life. Travel snobs be damned.
 

beachmouse

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Background info from the State Department on some of the countries the travel expert mentioned:

Sri Lanka- Despite the improved security situation, the Sri Lankan government continues to restrict travel in the Northern Province (the former center of the Tamil separatist insurgency), as does the U.S. Embassy for its employees. Foreigners, including U.S. embassy personnel, require advance permission from the Sri Lankan Ministry of Defence to visit the northern areas. Due to such travel restrictions, consular services to U.S. citizens in the northern part of the country may be delayed.

Despite the improved security situation, the Sri Lankan government continues to restrict travel in the Northern Province (the former center of the Tamil separatist insurgency), as does the U.S. Embassy for its employees. Foreigners, including U.S. embassy personnel, require advance permission from the Sri Lankan Ministry of Defence to visit the northern areas. Due to such travel restrictions, consular services to U.S. citizens in the northern part of the country may be delayed.

India-
Jammu & Kashmir: The Department of State strongly recommends that you avoid travel to Jammu & Kashmir (with the exception of visits to the eastern Ladakh region and its capital, Leh) because of the potential for terrorist incidents as well as violent public unrest. U.S.government employees are prohibited from traveling to the state of Jammu & Kashmir (except for Ladakh) without permission, which is only granted by the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi in exceptional circumstances. When traveling to Kashmir, U.S. official travelers attempt to lower their profiles, limit their lengths of stay, and exercise extreme caution.

If you choose to visit the Andaman Islands you should be aware that there have been 24 reports of salt-water crocodile attacks during the past 25 years in the Islands. There have been four fatalities, including a U.S. citizen tourist in April 2010. You are encouraged to seek advice from local residents about dangerous sea life before swimming and should keep a safe distance from animals at all times.

Nicaragua- Violent crime in Managua is increasing and petty street crimes and taxi-kidnappings are common. Gang activity also is increasing, though not at levels found in neighboring Central American countries. Pick-pocketing and occasional armed robberies occur on crowded buses, at bus stops and in open markets like the Oriental and Huembes Markets. Gang violence, drive-by shootings, robbery, assault and stabbings are most frequently encountered in poorer neighborhoods, including the Rene Schick and Jorge Dimitrov neighborhoods in Managua and the Ticabus stop area, a major arrival and departure point for tourist buses.

Colombia- Terrorist activity remains a threat throughout the country. On August 12, 2010, a car bomb exploded outside the Caracol radio station in Bogota. Seven people were hurt in this incident. On October 21, 2010, Colombian authorities claimed that they had foiled another car bomb attack directed at the National Administrative Center in Bogota. On October 21, 2010, the Colombian Defense Minister Rodrigo Rivera informed the media of an increased threat of terrorist activity in Bogota by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), particularly against the military, police and state government officials. While the Embassy possesses no information concerning specific and credible threats against U.S. citizens in Colombia, they are strongly encouraged to exercise caution and remain vigilant.

In recent months there has been a marked increase in violent crime in Colombia. Murder rates have risen significantly in some major cities, particularly Medellin and Cali. Kidnapping remains a serious threat. American citizens have been the victim of violent crime, including kidnapping and murder. Firearms are prevalent in Colombia and altercations can often turn violent. Small towns and rural areas of Colombia can still be extremely dangerous due to the presence of narco-terrorists. Common crime also remains a significant problem in many urban and rural areas.

Ireland and New Zealand are generally regarded as safe by State.
 

Miss Kitty

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Reliance on statistics to make a meaningless argument.



Non-Americans are uncomfortable in their environment and think their life sucks. they are so corrrect.



Why do some people travel so much? Well, in the words of Bob Dylan, if you ain't got nothin', you got nothin' to lose.



Basically an admisssion that Americans have no need to travel.



Overanalysis. Most people want to enjoy life. Travel snobs be damned.


FTLOC...Jesus, stop googling!!!!!!
 

scooterbug44

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It's all perspective/timing - my family has had more safety concern issues in London, Spain, and Rome and most of the recent terrorist plots have involved US or British flights.

Mama Scooterbug was in London during the bombings years ago and did NOT like it when told she should leave her room key so they knew which rooms to search for bodies. :roll:
 

Goddessgal

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I would consider myself an international traveler. But I wasn't for years. The reason - I had to work up to having enough time off. It took me 5 years with one employer to build up three weeks of vacation - that I couldn't take at one time anyway. I think many people have the same issue. When you have 10 days or 2 weeks a year, and your family lives in a different state, what do you do? I'm married to a European. Typical European vacation days tend to number around 25 per year. So, of course they travel more. And every European that I know also sees saving for travel essential. And of course when you have family and friends in Europe, it really helps your expenses - so I've just been lucky. Anyway.... just my 2 cents :)

Thankfully things have changed for me - because I truly value my travels - both international and American destinations---and my travels from NoWal to SoWal :)
 
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