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Blair

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Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.

But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.

Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

Obama's interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called "the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."

After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for what he described as "a Ralph Nader offshoot" in Harlem.

"In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of …Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia," Obama wrote in "Dreams," which he published in 1995. "At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature."

Obama supporters point out that plenty of Americans flirt with radical ideologies in college, only to join the political mainstream later in life. But Obama, who made a point of noting how "carefully" he chose his friends in college, also chose to launch his political career in the Chicago living room of Ayers, a domestic terrorist who in 2002 proclaimed: "I am a Marxist."

Also present at that meeting was Ayers' wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn, who once gave a speech extolling socialism, communism and "Marxism-Leninism."
Obama has been widely criticized for choosing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an anti-American firebrand, as his pastor. Wright is a purveyor of black liberation theology, which analysts say is based in part on Marxist ideas.
Few political observers go so far as to accuse Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, of being a Marxist. But Republican John McCain has been accusing Obama of espousing socialism ever since the Democrat told an Ohio plumber named Joe earlier this month that he wanted to "spread the wealth around."

Obama's running mate, Biden, recently contradicted his boss, saying: "He is not spreading the wealth around." The remark came as Biden was answering a question from a TV anchor who asked: "How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?"

"Are you joking? Is this a joke? Or is that a real question?" an incredulous Biden shot back. "It's a ridiculous comparison."

But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court's inability to enact "redistribution of wealth" -- a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become "Redistributionist-in-Chief."

Obama has managed to cultivate the image of a political moderate in spite of his consistently liberal voting record. In 2006, he published a second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope," that leaves little doubt about his adherence to the left.

"The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact," Obama wrote in "Audacity." "Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal."

National Journal magazine ranked Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate. The publication is far from conservative, employing such journalists as Linda Douglass, who resigned in May to become Obama's traveling press secretary.

Yes it is from an article on FoxNews so take your shots, but just as my friends from school, my running buddies in college, family and other realtionships have molded who I am and what I believe, all of these relationships of Obama certainly has made him who he is. He states it very plainly in his own book where his values come from...
Discuss...talk amongst yourselves....:D
 

scooterbug44

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Give me some actual evidence - maybe an article he published, membership in a Marxist or socialist group etc. He went to a college lecture by a historic figure and they were selling Marxist literature at the door? Really, that's the best you can do?

Hint: if you ARE Marxist or socialist, you don't identify others w/ those labels, find their attendance or topics noteworthy in an autobiography, or speak of them as a group separate from you.

His mom (who was having an interracial relationship in the 60s) was a lifelong liberal - good thing I was sitting down for that bombshell!

He says he's not Marxist, he's completely open and honest about every MINOR brush w/ Marxism he's ever had, so why do you still think he's going to turn the US into Karl Marx land? :dunno:
 

Smiling JOe

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Redistribution of wealth is ONE tenant of socialism. Obama has stated that he is in favor of redistribution of wealth.

Hell, George W Bush operates more like a socialist than some self-proclaimed socialists.
 

Matt J

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I think it's funny that the party of socialists (Republicans) has basically stated that if we elect Obama we will suddenly be a socialist/marxist country. Since when is some socialism a bad thing? A lot of European countries seem to enjoy the benefits quite well. In fact I've never met a Canadian that truly disliked their health care system.

As for the redistribution of wealth, look at the whole speech and not just the sound bites that seem to govern some peoples voting habits. What Obama is saying is that he wants to redistribute the wealth in the form of tax cuts for the middle and lower class and simply stop renewing tax cuts for the wealthy. He never has, and I'll bet money on the fact that he never will, simply take money from the rich and started handing it to the poor. This is just another fear tactic from the right.
 

Matt J

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Oh and keep in mind that our current economic crisis is created by the lack of oversight and regulation on the banking industry. McCain was really good buddies with Keating during the S&L bail out. So if association is equal to beliefs then McCain loves robbing the poor to give to the wealthy.
 

Blair

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Give me some actual evidence - maybe an article he published, membership in a Marxist or socialist group etc. He went to a college lecture by a historic figure and they were selling Marxist literature at the door? Really, that's the best you can do?

Hint: if you ARE Marxist or socialist, you don't identify others w/ those labels, find their attendance or topics noteworthy in an autobiography, or speak of them as a group separate from you.

His mom (who was having an interracial relationship in the 60s) was a lifelong liberal - good thing I was sitting down for that bombshell!

He says he's not Marxist, he's completely open and honest about every MINOR brush w/ Marxism he's ever had, so why do you still think he's going to turn the US into Karl Marx land? :dunno:


All of the evidence is in Obama;s books...
 

Geo

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I think it's funny that the party of socialists (Republicans) has basically stated that if we elect Obama we will suddenly be a socialist/marxist country. Since when is some socialism a bad thing? A lot of European countries seem to enjoy the benefits quite well. In fact I've never met a Canadian that truly disliked their health care system.

As for the redistribution of wealth, look at the whole speech and not just the sound bites that seem to govern some peoples voting habits. What Obama is saying is that he wants to redistribute the wealth in the form of tax cuts for the middle and lower class and simply stop renewing tax cuts for the wealthy. He never has, and I'll bet money on the fact that he never will, simply take money from the rich and started handing it to the poor. This is just another fear tactic from the right.

Exactly. I have been saying this on so many threads (look at our public schools, our fire departments, our progressive tax system tolerated if not voted on and favored by both dems and repubs) but yet we still hear this nonsense and fearmongering...

When I hear the word socialism I think of a way (one way) of operating. Many elements of this one way are interesting and worth looking into. Many present day countries have implemented elements of socialism successfully which have led to dramatic improvement in the quality of life (cue the right: "Then go live there if you like it so much")...

When too many hear the word socialism (which is exactly what McCain's people want) they are filled with fear as if the word and concept is intrinsically evil. You might as well be saying something like-


child molestor

Obama is a child molestor. I can't vote for a child molestor. Obama talks to child molestors. He hangs out in the living room of child molestors and spent way too much time studying child molestors. Clearly he is a child molestor and is going to turn this country into a the land of child molestors...

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scooterbug44

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Have you actually read those books?

I have been to lectures on many topics and "associated" with many diverse groups of people and religions, especially in a college environment. My beliefs and actions do not strictly represent the views of any of those groups, so why do you think his do?
 

Blair

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Have you actually read those books?

I have been to lectures on many topics and "associated" with many diverse groups of people and religions, especially in a college environment. My beliefs and actions do not strictly represent the views of any of those groups, so why do you think his do?


No I haven't read them...The guy who wrote the article did.

Somehow I can't picture you at an Ann Coulter rally...:funn:
 
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