Why Obama was elected....

[Leader of the Banned]

That's the gameshow in a nutshell. The other guys are villains. Clinton runs from Obama for the distance she needed to grab the brass ring. Obama will be the paranoid object with ACA. Obama has never really had to ever fight for anything in his life. Watch the slow motion meltdown on ACA. My guess is the reveal on his true virtue will be as ugly as the first Romney debate.

I don't agree. ACA will succeed, slowly but surely. I don't think most will run from Obama, but they have to be honest about the situation. Clinton was always different from Obama, so I don't see her running from him. ACA will reach a critical mass of enrollment in states with exchanges so it will be very difficult to dismantle it.

Also the first Romney debate, I don't see that as a reflection on lack of virtue. I see it more as a refusal to accept the reality that he has to play a B.S. game if he wants to win. He hears Romney totally change his positions on things and doesn't see the need to call him out. He thought he could just passively sit back and the American public would see it for what it is. I definitely saw it and fell asleep because I knew that Romney was just spewing crap. Most people expect the Pres to get down and call people out when they lie like that.

His biggest problem is that he fails to understand that people don't always see things the way he does, even when he's correct. He tends to think there is mutual understanding when there is definitely not. I don't know if I would call this lack of virtue, but it's definitely a shortcoming. He needs more constructive criticism from his own party and among his supporters. He is our president until 2017.

 

[Bob]

I don't agree. ACA will succeed, slowly but surely. I don't think most will run from Obama, but they have to be honest about the situation. Clinton was always different from Obama, so I don't see her running from him. ACA will reach a critical mass of enrollment in states with exchanges so it will be very difficult to dismantle it.

Also the first Romney debate, I don't see that as a reflection on lack of virtue. I see it more as a refusal to accept the reality that he has to play a B.S. game if he wants to win. He hears Romney totally change his positions on things and doesn't see the need to call him out. He thought he could just passively sit back and the American public would see it for what it is. I definitely saw it and fell asleep because I knew that Romney was just spewing crap. Most people expect the Pres to get down and call people out when they lie like that.

His biggest problem is that he fails to understand that people don't always see things the way he does, even when he's correct. He tends to think there is mutual understanding when there is definitely not. I don't know if I would call this lack of virtue, but it's definitely a shortcoming. He needs more constructive criticism from his own party and among his supporters. He is our president until 2017.

Politics aside, Romney[sans Ryan] was the better choice. The position of President is for those who have executive experience. Obama has a bubble wrapped around him a mile wide. So you say the ACA will survive? How will it survive if the numbers are built on the elderly,sick,and destitute. If the Millenials don't sign up, it dies, inertia or not.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Politics aside, Romney[sans Ryan] was the better choice. The position of President is for those who have executive experience. Obama has a bubble wrapped around him a mile wide. So you say the ACA will survive? How will it survive if the numbers are built on the elderly,sick,and destitute. If the Millenials don't sign up, it dies, inertia or not.

If the Millenials don't sign up, I guess it means they have insurance from other outlets. I don't think that's a bad thing. Is part of the millenial's problem that many of them didn't choose a realistic career path in line with the demands of today's job market? I know if I were in my teens right now I'd be doing everything possible to be as skilled as possible at math, science, computer technology, business, and finance. Hopefully those would be my passions, but if not, the hell with my heart being my guide. I would do what i need to do.

 

[Bob]

We did not arrive at this point because of virtue. The generations at the helm built this corrupt, steaming pile of madness. The ACA is a hail mary, to a generation least able to catch the ball. That's beyond argument in my opinion.

 

[Bob]

http://buzz.money.cnn.com/2013/11/21/obamacare-insurers-stocks/?iid=HPBut let's be honest here. Many of the plans on the Obamacare exchanges are not going to be cheap. My colleague Tami Luhby has covered this extensively for CNNMoney. So even with the passage of ACA, insurers are still going to rake in big profits.
Just look at what some of the Big Five earned in 2009 and what Wall Street expects from them next year.
Cigna's 2009 profit was $1.3 billion. Next year, analysts are predicting net income of $2 billion. Aetna posted a profit of $1.3 billion in 2009 and Wall Street is expecting earnings of $2.3 billion next year. UnitedHealth earned $3.8 billion in 2009. The consensus forecast for its 2014 profit? $5.7 billion.

 

[Bob]

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2157491,00.html In this sense, Obamacare is simply the latest instance of generational theft being perpetrated against younger Americans. It's a feature and not a bug of the President's signature health care law that insurance premiums for those under 30 are likely to increase significantly to allow premiums for older Americans to fall. Indeed, the whole plan hinges on getting 2.7 million whippersnappers out of a total of 7 million enrollees to sign up in the individual market during the first year. If too many older and sicker folks flood the market, the system will crash even faster than the HealthCare.gov website.

 

[Yarmap]

Seems that this was the argument before this thing passed. And anybody who said anything against it was either racist or wanted people to die.

 

[poppy]

Yeah right. Obamacare works no differently than job-based insurance and no one complains about that. In fact, Congress explicitly modeled these exchanges after job-based health benefits, where all employees pay the same premium for the same benefits even though younger healthier workers don't use them as much -- unless something horrible happens, which is why it's called insurance.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Insurance in general benefits members of the high risk population, duh! Also let's be fair about this. Some of these millennials are racking up thousands of dollars in debt getting college degrees that are totally useless in today's job market. Who's to blame for that? If they were more intent on learning javascript rather than how to create the graphical layout for web pages, maybe they would be able to land a job with a major company and they could obtain insurance at a reasonable rate. Oh but I forgot, they hate corporations, they hate big business, it's against their principles. There is a whole culture of young people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever.

 

[Bob]

Insurance in general benefits members of the high risk population, duh! Also let's be fair about this. Some of these millennials are racking up thousands of dollars in debt getting college degrees that are totally useless in today's job market. Who's to blame for that? If they were more intent on learning javascript rather than how to create the graphical layout for web pages, maybe they would be able to land a job with a major company and they could obtain insurance at a reasonable rate. Oh but I forgot, they hate corporations, they hate big business, it's against their principles. There is a whole culture of young people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever.

How can you blame a huge swath of society who cannot afford a product? Insurance is an intangible offered by those who seek profit. The answer has always revolved around cost. Offering up an unaffordable product to those who cannot afford it is nothing more than a money grab from those that work to those that do not.