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poppy

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Sep 10, 2008
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Right back at ya...

To date no states have filed so duhhhhh...
They can't decide on something that hasn't happened, yet.

I believe we're both on the same page but I could be wrong.:dunno:
 

30ashopper

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A number of the suits have already been filed. They have to work their way through the federal court system. Regardless how the lower courts decided, both sides will apeal until it lands at the door step of the SC. The judges will then have to make a decision whether they'll accept the first case that comes their way. My guess is they accept it and hand down a ruling based on the commerce clause. Not sure how it will be ruled, we have an open seat right now, so the makeup of the court is uncertain at this point.
 

Will B

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Jan 5, 2006
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I believe we're both on the same page but I could be wrong.:dunno:

I believe we are, too, but I haven't figured out how to put vocal inflection in messages! LOL! Maybe I should have used this...:sarc:, but I still don't know what the heck it means...
 

toes

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Dec 9, 2009
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They may have to amend it because the exclusion kicks in before the exchanges are created. :D Somebody didn't read the bill! It's not a major issue, it's just a little bit of egg on the face of those that authored the bill.

This is precisely the point. In essence - the new Healthcare Law creates absolute confusion if members of Congress currently have health insurance? Literally. The law apparently bars members of Congress from the federal employees health program, on the assumption that lawmakers should join many of their constituents in getting coverage through new state-based markets (known as insurance exchanges). The bill was amended in the Senate to make sure members and staff are in the system they created for the rest of us. Now there is confusion about whether or not they have coverage until the new exchanges actually start.... in 2014. A 13-page memo from the Congressional Research Service reaches no conclusion. There are over 700 employees at the Congressional Research Service and it took them 13 pages to provide this answer. In other words, theoretically the law kicks them out of the federal health plan now in order to force them to join insurance exchanges ? that don?t yet exist. The facts are - the bill is very poorly drafted. The Senate Bill (which is now the law) was never intended to go into law as is. The plan all along was to merge the House and Senate measure into a cleaned up final version. The Senate Bill was was simply a cut and pasted wheeler dealer draft to garner 60 votes prior to Scott Brown's election. There will indeed be more nuggets such as this to follow. There is also no "severability" clause. This may or may not matter? But I'm guessing some in the White House wish it was in there. If one single provision is declared unconstitutional, the entire law can be tossed. Time will tell. In the meantime, my gut tells me Congress will find a way to take of themselves prior to 2014.
 

30ashopper

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This is precisely the point. In essence - the new Healthcare Law creates absolute confusion if members of Congress currently have health insurance? Literally. The law apparently bars members of Congress from the federal employees health program, on the assumption that lawmakers should join many of their constituents in getting coverage through new state-based markets (known as insurance exchanges). The bill was amended in the Senate to make sure members and staff are in the system they created for the rest of us. Now there is confusion about whether or not they have coverage until the new exchanges actually start.... in 2014. A 13-page memo from the Congressional Research Service reaches no conclusion. There are over 700 employees at the Congressional Research Service and it took them 13 pages to provide this answer. In other words, theoretically the law kicks them out of the federal health plan now in order to force them to join insurance exchanges ? that don?t yet exist. The facts are - the bill is very poorly drafted. The Senate Bill (which is now the law) was never intended to go into law as is. The plan all along was to merge the House and Senate measure into a cleaned up final version. The Senate Bill was was simply a cut and pasted wheeler dealer draft to garner 60 votes prior to Scott Brown's election. There will indeed be more nuggets such as this to follow. There is also no "severability" clause. This may or may not matter? But I'm guessing some in the White House wish it was in there. If one single provision is declared unconstitutional, the entire law can be tossed. Time will tell. In the meantime, my gut tells me Congress will find a way to take of themselves prior to 2014.

I had not heard about this. Some searching around indicates you might be correct. The house bill had a severability clause but apparently the final, combined legislation doesn't. Interesting!
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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Doomed to failure....as is the Democratic Party this November. This bill is going to "die on the vine" because congress will not be able to fund it next year...or any year after. Not to mention the High Court taking on legal arguements from almost every state in the country. Got a long wait. Can't write checks from checkbook without money in it! (Well, at least if you are not a Democrat or Solcialist)

And the total ignorance of the few Americans who have no idea what this bill does is now showing. Doctor's offices are now being flooded with people demanding free service!!!

I give enough of my money now to freeloaders, and finally the rest of the country is begining to realize how inept BHO and his followers are in DC.

I say, let 'em sip on the KoolAid! No Doc has an antidote for stupidity!! (Obama has included himself in the healthcare bill!! Gimme a break!!)

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining!" Josey Wales (post Northern Incursion)

Got a source for that one? I know several doctors and none of them have experienced this yet.
 

mvelotas

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Aug 4, 2009
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Miami..dammit!
The count is 39 states contesting, ruling unconstitutional, and or drastically altering. This is the site you need to read: (April 13, 2010!)

State Legislation Challenging Certain Health Reforms, 2010

National Conference of State Legislatures. Granted, its not ALL, but its damn sure right on 2/3s....right now. Legal maneurvering by the states will stalemate this entire bill by 2011 and it will never see 2014 Government takeover.

The balance is not going to change in the SC because Stevens almost always voted Liberal. They will just be "swapping spit" , so to speak. Prediction: BHO is a one termer!

Fun watching CNN and MSNBC battle it out for last place and see who's rating are dropping faster. Think reruns of Battlestar Gallactica have more US viewers...
 

30ashopper

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