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Matt J

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I think the swastika is a great comparison - it had a historic/cultural meaning, then was adopted as a symbol of hatred, so people don't want it displayed because it is offensive.

Let me clarify my previous statement.

swastika = turned into symbol to wipe certain groups off the face of the earth thru mass genocide (a term that didn't exist prior to the holocaust)

confederate flag = symbol used to show a difference in policy and represent a seperatist state

Once again I am not endorsing the confederate flag. I will admit whole heartedly that when I see it my mind tends to go towards slavery. However this was based on my lovely middle school history classes that taught us civil war=fight over continuation of slavery.
 

scooterbug44

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swastika = turned into symbol to wipe certain groups off the face of the earth thru mass genocide (a term that didn't exist prior to the holocaust)

confederate flag = symbol used to show a difference in policy and represent a seperatist state

This is how the meaning has changed:

Confederate flag = symbol used to intimidate certain groups with threats of violence and property damage and symbolize the quest for racial purity
 

Matt J

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This is how the meaning has changed:

Confederate flag = symbol used to intimidate certain groups with threats of violence and property damage and symbolize the quest for racial purity

By certain groups, not just anyone who is in possesion of the flag. Otherwise the Jewish community in the U.S. has a big problem with certain Native Americans.
 

CPort

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I respect the fact that the Confederate flag offends some and for that reason as Tootsie stated, I also would never publically display one, unless participating in a historical event.

However the flag itself is not the problem, the problem is the use of it for self serving purposes.

It can be used in a non racist, historical aspect. And those that respect that usage, despise the abuse of it for hate filled activities as much as anyone, probably more. Nothing is more upsetting to me than anything associated with the KKK, but they also hid behind white sheets and burned crosses which to me, both were more traumatic that the use of the flag.

No one would ever say that crosses and white sheets only represent racism, therefore the flag should not be seen only in that aspect either.

It offends me when it used to promote hatred, fear or racism. Just as the American flag offends many in this day and time, I would not want anyone to judge all of us based on those feelings.

The American flag represented this nation when this nation seperated itself for many reasons from England. The American flag also flew over every slave ship that sailed, and all were owned by rich Northern business men. Only a very small percentage of Southerners owned slaves, less than 10%, but yet many fought for the Confederacy during the War. So there is much more to the War than slavery and the flag. Which actually is a Battle flag and not a official flag of the Confederate states.

There is a tremendous history to the Confederate flag and sadly only the assocation of it in a horrible way is remembered by most.

I sure many racist skinheads drive trucks but none of us would label all truck drivers racist, or hate mongers.

I am sure somewhere there are racists that wear Prada.

I do agree that making it larger than some buildings is just making the situation worse and most Southern historians will agree.
The civil was was fought over money,plain and simple!!I don't have any bumper stickers,I need a new American Flag for holidays,and have never used the n word.
Johnrudy, that is crazy to not send you son to the best college that is right for him regardless of where it is..
 

Rudyjohn

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The civil was was fought over money,plain and simple!!I don't have any bumper stickers,I need a new American Flag for holidays,and have never used the n word.
Johnrudy, that is crazy to not send you son to the best college that is right for him regardless of where it is..

CP, it was more of a personal statement of how I see this thread going. We, as a family, don't have any problems sending him south. I was born and raised a Southerner.
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Misty

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BUMP!


Amazing what a difference 7 years makes.
 

Teresa

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BUMP!

Amazing what a difference 7 years makes.

Not really. Most still believe in flying it if you like it. This thread was not about public land though it was touched on.

This and another old thread were fun discussions. Not all agreed. But fun nonetheless. No agenda.

More than half of these posters were from out of town and out of state. Interesting people.
 

Teresa

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Nope, it will not be found at a flea market in Georgia:roll:
Say hello to the biggest eyesore on one of the tackiest stretches of Interstate out there. http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article551722.ece?75

This actually happened. In response to Florida taking down the confederate flag from the state Capitol. It now flies bigger than ever from private land over I-75 for all the zillions travelers from all over the country to Florida. I guess those guys showed em good! People think this is our state flying it high. I thought so at one point. It isn't. Sons of confederate veterans mean business. It's their free speech right. But does it have to be the biggest flag on the planet flying over the biggest highway in Florida? Yes and it's been there for quite a while. Welcome to the sunshine state.
 

Misty

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Not really. Most still believe in flying it if you like it. This thread was not about public land though it was touched on.

This and another old thread were fun discussions. Not all agreed. But fun nonetheless. No agenda.

More than half of these posters were from out of town and out of state. Interesting people.

7 years ago it was flying where it currently stands and none of you (those currently still posting here) were any the wiser. Now its become the biggest symbol of racism and hatred that folks from the South end could dig up to further divide the county.
 
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