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Dawn

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Oct 16, 2008
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BCC keeps increasing density to remove trees and build monster houses on every square inch of land...planning commission DENIED, BCC said "meh, hold my beer."


By DOTTY NIST

The Walton County Board of County Commissioners (BCC) has approved the rezoning of two Residential Preservation lots on Lee Place in Seagrove, a rezoning for industrial use on U.S. 98 East, a business park warehouse, and a 10-lot subdivision plat on five acres northwest of DeFuniak Springs.

The decisions took place at the May 23 BCC land use meeting at the South Walton Annex.

Baker Rezoning

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This was a request on behalf of Stephen and Michelle Baker for a zoning district change from Residential Preservation to Low Density Residential four units per acre or lesser district on 0.51 acre on the north side of Lee Place, 0.06 mile east of the Robert Ellis Drive/Lee Place intersection in Seagrove.

Introducing the request, Stephen Schoen of Walton County Planning and Development Services reported that the Walton County Planning Commission had recommended denial in a 3-2 vote, with Planning Commissioner Dean Burgis abstaining.

He said the reasons given for the denial had been traffic, environmental, compatibility, and concerns related to short-term rentals, among others, with the planning commission indicating that there was a greater public benefit in not amending the future land use map as requested. He emphasized that the applicants had stated that no competent substantial evidence had been presented to the planning commission supporting the idea that there traffic would be increased with the rezoning.

Schoen told the BCC that the rezoning application was complete and substantially consistent with the Walton County Comprehensive Plan (CP) and Land Development Code (LDC).

Speaking on behalf of the applicants, attorney Stephen Tatum pointed out that the subject lot is not part of a platted subdivision.

The LDC describes the Residential Preservation (RP) zoning district as consisting “primarily of subdivisions existing as of November 7, 1996, approved development projects which are vested or built out, or recorded platted subdivisions that have infrastructure in place and are substantially built out.” Tatum maintained that the RP zoning district is intended to be assigned to platted lots.

He explained that the requested zoning change would enable the applicants to split the lot in half to create two lots, in line with the historical development pattern for the neighborhood now that water and sewer are available. In the Residential Preservation zoning district, lot splitting is not allowed.

Speaking about the 29 lots fronting Lee Place, Tatum said that 60 percent are a quarter acre or smaller in size.

He said there had been a lot of discussion at planning commission that creating two lots as opposed to one would increase traffic. Tatum said the applicants were of the opinion that with the larger lot there would be more ability for someone to build a larger house with more bedrooms and parking. With the lot split, he argued, it would be more likely that a smaller home would be built on each of the lots that would be more compatible with the neighborhood.

With required setbacks for two lots, he continued, there would be a 7 1/2-foot setback on each of the lots in the middle of the two lots, creating a combined 15-foot-wide setback in that location.

District 4 Commissioner Donna Johns said her concern was that someone would build two “monster homes” on each lot if the lots were split.

Tatum did not think that true monster houses would be likely with the split, and he maintained that the traffic would not be more with two smaller homes on the half acre versus one larger one. He also pointed out that, with two lots, parking and stormwater would have to be provided on each lot, resulting in less room to work with in constructing a home.

Tatum addressed misinformation that had been circulated that there was an intent to put Katrina cottages on the lots “and somehow do a bunch of them.” He explained that there was no truth to this, although the applicants currently live in a Katrina cottage/tiny home on their lot on Lee Place.

Tatum explained that, both with the subject rezoning and with another one on the agenda with the same applicants, also on Lee Place, the intent was to split the lots in two and sell them to a homebuyer who wants to build a custom home. It later was revealed that Baker intended to move to one of the lots and build there himself.

District 1 Commissioner Boots McCormick made a motion to approve the request. District 2 Commissioner Danny Glidewell seconded and then asked Tatum if there was any validity to the fear that some citizens had expressed in emails that a campground could be put in on the lots.

Tatum replied that this was not the intent—and that it could not happen with the zoning being requested. Mac Carpenter, Walton County planning and development services director, agreed that a campground would not be an allowable use with the requested zoning.

In response to questions about the tiny home that is his residence, applicant Stephen Baker said that when COVID hit, he and his wife had set up and permitted the Katrina cottage on the back of their lot to live in until they decided what they wanted to do long term. He said he absolutely did not plan to bring in any more Katrina cottages.

Baker said their plans were to move to a lot they own across the street next to Point Washington State Forest and sell their current lot with the cottage as a guest house, along with the pool at their current residence.

He emphasized that he was trying to protect the neighborhood and keep it compatible with quarter acre lots. “There is a gentleman who has been calling me for the last seven months; he wants to put a 9,000-square-foot house on one of my half-acre lots;” he said, “I don’t want that to happen.”

Glidewell asked Baker how many Katrina cottages were on the lot where Baker lives. He replied the one he and his wife are living in and one additional one on the front of the lot that they plan to put on the lot they will move to for use as a guest house.

“Well for me,” McCormick observed, “at the end of the day, with the monster house problem, it makes common sense to me, the lots are smaller, the less likely of having a humongous monster house.”

Tatum brought up case law applying to rezonings, specifically the 1993 Snyder v. Board of County Commissioners case in Brevard County. He described the standard set in that case with rezoning applications as, that where an application is consistent with the CP, “there has to be a showing by competent substantial evidence that keeping the current zoning is in the public interest,” in order for the commission to have the ability to deny a rezoning.

Also speaking for the applicants, engineer Dean Burgis confirmed that the property is “high and dry,” with no wetlands or undesirable features making it less developable.

Speaking in opposition to the rezoning was Lee Place homeowner and resident John Gary. He also identified himself as a registered architect. Gary described a home being constructed on a quarter-acre lot next door to his residence at 6,500 square feet with four levels, seven bedrooms, six bathrooms, and an elevator. Gary said the house under construction was being set up “strictly to rent,” and predicted that the same thing would happen on the subject lots once they were split.

“Why would we want to double that issue?” he asked.

BCC Chairman Tony Anderson countered that he would not like to see a monster house built on a quarter-acre lot, either—but that there was no evidence that Baker would sell a lot to someone who would do so. He told Gary that all the applicant was asking for was the same consideration that other property owners in the neighborhood had received in having their lots split into quarter-acre lots.

Johns pointed out that Baker had said he would be using one of the quarter-acre lots for his own residence and had said he was not going to be building a monster home there. She also Told Gary that the county was looking at rewriting the LDC with the help of consultants “and I, like you, hope that we can manage these monster homes better.”

Sherry Clark, a 35-year property owner and full-time resident at neighboring Cassine Townhomes, also urged against the rezoning. She spoke of frequent flooding and the wetlands behind Cassine Townhomes being severely under stress, with buildings sinking as a result.

Clark also brought up severe parking and traffic problems in the neighborhood, overcrowding on the beach, lack of cell phone coverage, and long waits for medical treatment. “We do not have the infrastructure for you all to be splitting these lots further and further,” she said.

“You’re degrading the quality of life,” Clark told the commissioners.

Cassine Gardens resident Judith Robinson agreed with Clark. “We have major concerns because of the watershed issue,” she added.

Robinson was of the opinion that the subject property had been zoned Residential Preservation “for a purpose over the years,” and said that it appeared that purpose was being ignored now.

Robinson observed that, while Baker might “do a great job” with preserving the neighborhood with his property, this might not be the case with the property coming into someone else’s hands in the future. She was of the opinion that the rezoning would not benefit residents but would only provide a financial benefit for developers.

Replying to a question about stormwater, Burgis was aware of that issue on the Cassine property and commented that this was a development built around a swamp. “There isn’t a good answer,” he said of the flooding.

However, Burgis said the lots being considered for rezoning would be required to have single-family stormwater systems and that stormwater from the lots would be retained on site.

McCormick’s previous motion for approval of the rezoning carried unanimously.
 

Dawn

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Oct 16, 2008
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135 Lee Place Rezoning was a similar rezoning request by the same parties under the name of their company, Sand Juan Dollars, L.L.C., proposed for another lot under their ownership on Lee Place.

This was a request to change the zoning district of 0.41 acre at 135 Lee Place from Residential Preservation to Neighborhood Infill or a lesser district.

Introducing the request, Stephen Schoen told the commissioners that a land use restriction agreement was part of the application to limit density on the property to two lots.

The planning commission had provided a recommendation for denial on this request, as well, in a 3-2 vote, for reasons similar to those applying to the previous request. The applicants had also in this instance maintained that no competent, substantial evidence had been submitted supporting the concerns that had been given as reasons for the recommendation of denial.

Schoen told the commissioners that this application was also complete and in substantial compliance with the LDC and CP.

Stephen Tatum requested that the evidence submitted on the part of the applicants in connection with the previous request be moved into the record for the subject request.

He also explained why a different zoning district, Neighborhood Infill, was being proposed for 135 Lee Place Rezoning. Since the lot is 0.41 acre in size rather than half an acre,, Tatum said, it would not be possible to get two lots as desired with the Low Density Residential Zoning.

He said there is already property zoned Neighborhood Infill in the vicinity of the subject property.

Tatum explained that, based on compatibility, it is possible to have up to eight dwelling units per acre with Neighborhood Infill—but that the applicants had included in their application package the land use restriction agreement limiting the property to the creation of two lots.

He said their intent, as with the previous request, was to create two lots upon which one house would be built on each.

Johns was concerned about the allowable eight units per acre for the proposed rezoning. She asked if it could happen that more than two homes could be put in on the property, or if the land use restriction agreement could be overridden in the future.

Tatum replied that this would be quite unlikely, since the agreement would be recorded in the public records and would run with the land. He also pointed out that, even absent the land use restriction agreement, only a maximum of three units would be possible under Neighborhood Infill based on the size of the property—that assuming that the compatibility requirement could be met. “But we’re willing to say we’ll stick to two,” Tatum concluded.

There was a motion for approval by Glidewell, which was seconded. With no one in attendance coming forward to provide public comment, a vote was taken. The rezoning request was approved in a 4-1 vote, with Johns voting no.
 

UpNorth

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Apr 18, 2024
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Why was my previous post removed and flagged as a “personal attack”? Am I not allowed to mention that it’s peculiar Mr Gary is 1) completely fabricating/speculating what the applicant is going to do with his property, 2) railing against development for his neighbors when the filings indicate he himself just built a lavish residence, and 3) why people who choose to live in communities that allow short term rentals then proceed to complain about short term rentals?
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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@UpNorth I totally agree. I've been following this as well. Many of the neighbors couldn't make it, because their short term rentals were booked.

One woman who got up and under oath stated there is toxic waste somewhere off of Lee Place. She also stated she had owned in Cassine for over 30 years. She neglected to mention she lived in Atlanta for 27 of those and rented it short term. Only moving here fulltime during the pandemic.

The hypocrisy of these people is ridiculous. The licensed architect getting the square footage of his own self designed home wrong was one of two things; a blatant lie to support his argument, or he's completely incompetent in his own profession.

These are not attacks, they are facts. They be inconvenient or embarrassing, but at least they are true, verifiable on video and not nearly some of the assumptions made during those hearings.

Ultimately it reveals an undercurrent not to actually work toward agreeable, sustainable and workable growth in the county, but to deny anything new.
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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BCC keeps increasing density to remove trees and build monster houses on every square inch of land...planning commission DENIED, BCC said "meh, hold my beer."

I've watched or attended all of the meetings regarding this and what you are saying isn't true at all in regards to this.

The applicant has been up front that he plans to put a Katrina style home on each of the new lots. He's also been offered millions so someone could build a monster home on the larger original lot. He also made that assertion under oath during a quasi judicial proceeding, perjury laws and penalties apply.

The fact that the majority of the outrage were people who had bought or built vacation rentals in the same neighborhood and now want to restrict someone else from the same is the height of hypocrisy.
 

UpNorth

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Apr 18, 2024
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@UpNorth I totally agree. I've been following this as well. Many of the neighbors couldn't make it, because their short term rentals were booked.

One woman who got up and under oath stated there is toxic waste somewhere off of Lee Place. She also stated she had owned in Cassine for over 30 years. She neglected to mention she lived in Atlanta for 27 of those and rented it short term. Only moving here fulltime during the pandemic.

The hypocrisy of these people is ridiculous. The licensed architect getting the square footage of his own self designed home wrong was one of two things; a blatant lie to support his argument, or he's completely incompetent in his own profession.

These are not attacks, they are facts. They be inconvenient or embarrassing, but at least they are true, verifiable on video and not nearly some of the assumptions made during those hearings.

Ultimately it reveals an undercurrent not to actually work toward agreeable, sustainable and workable growth in the county, but to deny anything new.
Exactly. It’s a continuation of the sad state of affairs in America. Everything needs to be sensationalized to make one’s case. A Republican is bound to their party and not allowed to admit that maybe some democrat has a valid point. And vice versa. Orange man bad, with a blanket, even on issues like law and order or immigration. There’s no more forest in SoWal cuz a new Walmart Grocery went up amidst 12 miles of forest! We all likely have so much common ground between us, but continue to behave like animals in order to push personal rhetoric.

What’s the real issue here? Not picking on the architect, but chances are, that lot was purchased because it was more affordable than something in a more exclusive, non short term rental area. He KNEW it was a short term rental friendly development, or he was negligent in his process. He also knew, it’s off the beaten path on 30A…guess what that means? Traffics gonna be a b**ch. It also means, beach access may be an issue. What does he do? Move ahead knowing all this and then complain about short term rentals, fight others from doing what he did, and then as we see from others in the area, complain about traffic and beach access…..HUH? You are anti development stating traffic as a problem, well the only answer is to built a road through the state park to 98….but that’s more deforestation! Usurping others property rights won’t fix the traffic issue, it’s just sour grapes. Total insanity.

Why do I take issue with this sort of crap? Because I was faced with the same decision, and I’d love to have a house like Mr Architect, but I didn’t want to live in a short term rental community so I made compromises and bought something probably similarly priced, with much fewer bells and whistles. I didn’t want to deal with a 20-30 minute drive to 98, so I made a decision to be elsewhere. I didn’t want to deal with beach access issues, so I paid to join the Beach Club. Maybe I should have knowingly bought a remote quarter acre lot, in a short term rental development hot spot with sketchy infrastructure and then just done the grift? That’s what we are encouraging right? In the name of protecting the forests LOL.
 

Dawn

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Oct 16, 2008
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There bis nothing wrong with protecting forests and having a sensible tree ordinance. Scenic corridor guidelines in place should apply everywhere and enhanced. Old growth trees are treasures.

Don't be a prostitute for McDonald's and allow them to do anything they want on their lot.
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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I literally cannot remember the last time I ate something from McDonald's, at the same time just because I'm not willing to firebomb it doesn't make me a bad person.

Once again I can't count on one hand the number of real estate for sale signs have been on that property over the last 15 years.
 

UpNorth

Beach Lover
Apr 18, 2024
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So the conservation nuts had their chance to purchase the McDonalds parcel and forever preserve that space and chose not to. Whose fault is that?
 

Matt J

SWGB
May 9, 2007
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So the conservation nuts had their chance to purchase the McDonalds parcel and forever preserve that space and chose not to. Whose fault is that?

We're probably the only county on Earth that suffers from "conservation greed".
 
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