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Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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Actually you shamed me into rethinking my solution to try and match your superior savings. I reworked mine and the results are:

Budget Puzzle: You Fix the Budget - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com

Much bigger savings and still 76% of savings from spending cuts.

I wasn't trying to shame you into anything.

I see that you don't like small business though, by saving $17 Billion you put at a minimum 250,000 people out of work. That's assuming that government contractors are individuals and not firms.

I agree with other cuts except for the National Parks and Smithsonian.

Won't cutting state aid simply raise taxes in those states? I know, I know the conventional wisdom is that they'll simply cut as well, but we know how that works and with people like Coley and Patronis keeping their "seats at the table" they'll vote however the higher ups direct them to.

I see you still love your millionaires by not taxing them over $1 million in income and heaven forbid someone like Paris Hilton pay when daddy dies right?
 

Kayak Fish

Beach Lover
Jul 9, 2007
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Easily fixed by cutting spending and reducing loopholes some tax breaks and the obverall tax rates (the Bowles-Simpson plan). The military should be gutted- we account for half the world's military spending. None of this will happen of course because no one in government is serious about any of this.

Also if by some travesty the payroll tax is increased above 106k per year I am leaving this country.
 
Easily fixed by cutting spending and reducing loopholes some tax breaks and the obverall tax rates (the Bowles-Simpson plan). The military should be gutted- we account for half the world's military spending. None of this will happen of course because no one in government is serious about any of this.

Also if by some travesty the payroll tax is increased above 106k per year I am leaving this country.



Raising the payroll tax ceiling is one thing that should be done even if we were not in a fiscal crisis. Talk about a regressive tax! Poor people pay on the first dollae earned, which is cool, but rich people do not pay anything on the bulk of their income.
 
I wasn't trying to shame you into anything.

I see that you don't like small business though, by saving $17 Billion you put at a minimum 250,000 people out of work. That's assuming that government contractors are individuals and not firms.

I agree with other cuts except for the National Parks and Smithsonian.

Won't cutting state aid simply raise taxes in those states? I know, I know the conventional wisdom is that they'll simply cut as well, but we know how that works and with people like Coley and Patronis keeping their "seats at the table" they'll vote however the higher ups direct them to.

I see you still love your millionaires by not taxing them over $1 million in income and heaven forbid someone like Paris Hilton pay when daddy dies right?

Cutting the contractors is not a must do for me. And the national parks and Smithsonian items are not cuts but user fees. I can live with that. As far as state aid, I am opposed to that completely. Every government entity should be required to raise every dollar they spend themselves so that spending cannot be hidden and the taxpayer knows the true cost of that government.

I don't love millionaires but I do not hate them either. I want them to pay their fair share, nothing more and nothing less. And death taxes are double taxation and patently unfair. People should have their income taxed once by the Federal government and that is enough.
 

beachFool

Beach Fanatic
May 6, 2007
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death taxes are double taxation and patently unfair. People should have their income taxed once by the Federal government and that is enough.


Taxable estates do not necessarily include income that has been taxed in a prior life.

Life insurance proceeds, tax-deferred accounts, and unrealized capital gains come to mind.

One and done on taxes means little.

We pay income tax on salary but also pay sales, user, excise taxes afterwards.

There is no death tax, it is an estate tax. Last year, a married couple could exclude up to $7M.

Plus the surviving spouse has ZERO estate tax liability regardless of estate size.

The elimination of the "step-up" in basis and the increased IRS regulations on basis reporting will likely impact far more people than the repeal of the "death" tax.
 
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30ashopper

SoWal Insider
Apr 30, 2008
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Right here!
Raising the payroll tax ceiling is one thing that should be done even if we were not in a fiscal crisis. Talk about a regressive tax! Poor people pay on the first dollae earned, which is cool, but rich people do not pay anything on the bulk of their income.

The ss payroll tax is already set up to be progressive. Benefits at the low end out strip contributions, and benefits at the high end are lower in value than contributions. Now there is talk of scaling back benefits at the high end even farther.

For people with lower than average earnings, the
ratio of the lifetime benefits they receive from Social
Security to the lifetime payroll taxes they pay for the
program is higher than it is for people with higher
average earnings. In that sense, the Social Security
system is progressive. For people in the bottom fifth of
the earnings distribution, the ratio of benefits to taxes
is almost three times as high as it is for those in the top
fifth.

The benefits paid to retired workers, which account
for about three-quarters of total benefits, are also
progressive, but less progressive than Social Security
benefits overall. The Social Security benefit formula is
designed to provide beneficiaries who had lower lifetime
earnings with monthly benefits that are higher, as
a percentage of their lifetime average earnings, than
those received by higher-earning beneficiaries. That
progressivity in the benefit formula is only partly offset
by the fact that higher-earning individuals tend to live
longer and thus collect benefits longer.

The benefits paid to disabled workers and to the dependents
and survivors of Social Security participants
are by their nature generally paid to individuals with
lower lifetime earnings. Disabled-worker and auxiliary
benefits together account for only about a quarter of
total benefits, but they account for most of the differences
in the benefit-to-tax ratio across the earnings distribution.
Therefore, analyses that consider the entire
Social Security system will generally find more overall
progressivity than studies that focus only on retired
workers. Disabled-worker benefits are still progressive,
but less so, when measured by a method that approximates
their insurance value to all workers rather than
one that considers only the benefits actually paid.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/77xx/doc7705/12-15-Progressivity-SS.pdf
 

beachFool

Beach Fanatic
May 6, 2007
938
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You get partial credit shopper.

Yes, the benefits are skewed toward workers with lower lifetime earnings.

But the limit (106K-2010) means it is not progressive.

The guy making 106K pays them same amount as the guy making 1.6M.

Modest adjustments for the upper 70% of recipients is prudent.

The option is raising taxes.
 

scooterbug44

SoWal Expert
May 8, 2007
16,706
3,339
Sowal
I love this!

Especially how it shows how much those tax cuts everyone is talking about hurt us.

38% in tax increases, 62% in spending cuts.

I cut back on military spending, reduced the federal workforce by 10%, raised the ages for Medicare and SS, and raised taxes.

Did not like the proposal to only have veterans who were injured in battle be covered - IMO if you serve you should get health care - especially with all of the mental health and later issues soldiers frequently have.

One thing I would like to see - make the mortgage interest credit only apply to primary residences and only after 25% of it has been paid off.
 

30ashopper

SoWal Insider
Apr 30, 2008
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Right here!
You get partial credit shopper.

Yes, the benefits are skewed toward workers with lower lifetime earnings.

But the limit (106K-2010) means it is not progressive.

The guy making 106K pays them same amount as the guy making 1.6M.

Modest adjustments for the upper 70% of recipients is prudent.

The option is raising taxes.

I don't see how you can claim that.

Jack pays A, gets B, Jill pays C, gets D, where A > C and D > B, that's a progressive tax.
 

Lynnie

SoWal Insider
Apr 18, 2007
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434
SoBuc
I solved the issue. I raised taxes by a preponderance to cutting spending.......go figure. :D
 
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