Redfish Village Beach Access

[Smiling JOe]

how do they plan to restrict access/use of these private bathrooms?

are you going to need a restricted passkey or is there going to be some sort of secret handshake or password?

the developer mentioned gates across the north and south sides of property, so there would probably be passcodes or passcards for the users.

 

[edroedrog]

does anyone know where one can get renderings of these bathrooms that are going to be on this lot on the gulf? are they going to be public or private bathrooms?

BeachBumguy. We need to have a beer/Cosmo or just a nice steak. FYI-Be careful on this tread SJ will clear up the facts about property and KT will attack you if you talk bad about his buds.

Here are the renderings http://www.redfishvillage.com/renderings.html. Do not believe everything you see or read from the Trailer Park(I am trying to be nice ATM). You might want to ask the Trailer for a new set of drawings. KT-They do have them don't they?(Sorry ATM)

KT-I am not BeachBumGuy but I LIKE his style..

 

[SHELLY]

does anyone know where one can get renderings of these bathrooms that are going to be on this lot on the gulf? are they going to be public or private bathrooms?

 

[edroedrog]

Has anyone talked to District 4 Senator? He is a member of the Committee on Environmental Preservation and Conservation.

I have been reading on the flsenate site mostly lobbyist section tonight and found that he is on this site as someone that could be of SOME help.

BMBV-Has anyone talked to him about what is going on. I am NOT certain he is aware of the "enhancement".

 

[Smiling JOe]

Has anyone talked to District 4 Senator? He is a member of the Committee on Environmental Preservation and Conservation.

I have been reading on the flsenate site mostly lobbyist section tonight and found that he is on this site as someone that could be of SOME help.

BMBV-Has anyone talked to him about what is going on. I am NOT certain he is aware of the "enhancement".

Senator Don Gaetz
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[Babyblue]

I drove by the area today. I see why some are concerned.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Vagrant just because you think my position (and all those other influential people east of 83) is not as idealistic as yours, it is still ok to have. At least I am the only one admitting that part of my motivation is "not in my backyard". Is that part of yours or are you only selfless and "fighting the good fight". From the way you say it, Anita Page, Richard Fowlkes and Pat Blackshear would all be insiders. Is it possible that somebody has a position that is different than yours and maybe they have as much right as you do to have that position? You are very emphatic and you post like your word is the final word.

Kevin Thompson, would you please answer just one simple question?....

Are you FOR or AGAINST the County allowing RFV to use the 260 Blue Mountain Road residential lot for their "private deeded beach access" / bathroom facilities for 80 condos located about 1000 feet away on the north side of 30A?

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

I know that a couple of you who are opposed to the private access also have your properties listed for sale. For you guys in particular, why do you care whether there are two bathrooms or five condos on a property near the property which you intend to sell? Just curious.

SJ, you first implied (in a previous post) by the MLS listing that the west property owner felt that he was not suffering in "harm" since he bumped up his asking price (and a couple of other items).

Now, you ask the owners why are they opposed to two bathrooms compared to five condos.

Are you kidding us?????

1. The max capacity for the lot is more like 3 NOT 5 units.

2. Only two bathrooms? Don't forget to add in the 300+ people. I'm sure you just overlooked that trivial detail.

3. Could it be that the owners feel some sense of responsibility to their neighbors? I know this idea appears to be far fetched for some of you out there in this day of develop and flip. But I personally know and have met each and every one of these neighbors. I even asked one of them the same question. His answer was that he basically would not turn his back just because he's selling. His and his neighbors' actions speak louder than their words.

4. Oh yea, why would they oppose it if they did not think the project would hurt the neighborhood? This is not a fun nor cheap past-time.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

From Saturday's Walton Sun, page A4...

Residents feeling threatened by private community beach accesses
By Gabriel Tynes gtynes@link.freedom.com

In a series of community meetings held over the past few months, some South Walton citizens have voiced concerns that densely visited, private beach accesses will lead to degradation of the beach and inconvenience for surrounding homeowners.
The accesses in question are proposed by two separate developments north of County Road 30A, each with an interest in marketing private Gulf access to potential investors. Both NatureWalk in Seagrove and Redfish Village in Blue Mountain Beach have purchased parcels of Gulffront property and sent proposals for development to the Walton County Planning Commission.
Last June, NatureWalk, which is being developed by Olson and Associates of NW Florida, purchased the three lots where Seagrove Villas motel has operated since the 1970s. Olson is proposing to tear down the existing buildings and construct a four-story condominium complex with 2,400 square-feet of retail space on the ground fl oor, along with a full service restaurant, two swimming pools and a dune walkover.
According to developers, NatureWalk will shuttle homeowners and visitors from their main property a mile north to use the beach club as a private access.
Redfish Village, which is being developed by Santa Rosa Beach?s New Orchard Group (NOG), recently bought two separate Blue Mountain Road parcels on either side of State Road 83. According to NOG Principal Brad Zeitlin, the proposed Redfi sh Village access will offer a simple dune walkover with private restroom facilities. It will also be served by a shuttle.
Zeitlin, along with codeveloper Steve Bradley, believe the Redfi sh Village access can function within a reasonable density in Blue Mountain Beach, and perhaps even enhance the beach going experience for neighborhood residents and visitors.
?We are proposing a safe and convenient access point for our residents and guests that will take pedestrian traffic, bicycle traffi c and vehicular traffi c off of those feeder roads,? Zeitlin said. ?We thought it would be prudent because the (County Road) 83 access will already be overloaded.?
Zeitlin emphasized the proposal for Redfi sh Village was a small, private beach access facility with no commercial or residential construction ? not a beach club.
?We only have 140 square-feet of construction on the site,? Zeitlin said. ?That?s two, 70 squarefoot bathroom cabanas, a half-moon driveway and a dune walkover. It will also be landscaped in a way to minimize the visual impact.
?Perpendicular access is a serious challenge along the entire beach,? Zeitlin said. ?This has been an extremely polarizing issue and everybody has a stake in it. It comes down to getting everyone who wants to go to the beach down and back without diffi culty.?
At a Dec. 21 discussion regarding the NatureWalk beach club at the South Walton Courthouse Annex, Seagrove resident Tom Hidell distributed a summary of reasons why area homeowners are opposed to current plans. The reasons cited were the development?s usage estimates will exceed the property?s capacity, the plan for shuttle service and traffi c fl ow is not realistic and it fails to address overfl ow parking.
Greg Graham, a planning department engineer, said the private accesses would not be viable without the shuttles, and elements outside of the developments are already causing the traffic problems on CR 30A.
?We?ve looked at traffic analysis for years and know that 30A is over capacity,? Graham said. ?The biggest improvement we could make right now would be to signalize or roundabout the intersection of 395 and 30A.?
Olson and Associates originally submitted a Development Order and PUD application to the planning department in September detailing plans for the beach club. The condos will be served by an underground garage, but the retail outlets will have 11 or fewer parking spaces for the public. A shuttle for the 550-unit NatureWalk will carry passengers to the club and back in 30 minutes.
Residents are concerned that during peak holidays, there is the potential for thousands of people to fl ood the NatureWalk beach club, and many will opt to drive their own vehicles.
Olson and Associates marketing specialist Kristin Anderson said it is her understanding that concerns from the Seagrove community have been addressed and settled.
?We are putting a clause in the contract stating homeowners are at risk of losing their beach club membership if they are in violation of parking regulations.? Anderson said.
At the Dec. 21 meeting, Olson developer Patrick Hodges estimated the value of the club memberships to be in the tens of thousands of dollars.
?It should serve as some sort of incentive not to get in your car to make that trip,? Hodges said.
He proposed that Nature-Walk owners and visitors post decals on their vehicles so they can be identifi ed.
Blue Mountain Beach homeowner Randolph Church, who permanently resides in Atmore, Ala., said he sees the funneling of beach goers to one particular area as problematic.
?You would think if somebody finds an access that is full, they would just go somewhere else,? Church said. ?To me, it sounds like there is going to be a mass of people congregating in and around these residential areas.
?It would be nice to know how many other developments will try to do the



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Developers of NatureWalk are proposing the construction of a 20-unit, four story condominium complex and beach club for owners of their 550 lots at the site of Seagrove Villas. A shuttle would make twice-hourly trips to bring NatureWalk residents and guests to the 340-foot Gulf front property. (Provided by Olson and Associates)


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Developers of NatureWalk are proposing the construction of a 20-unit, four story condominium complex and beach club for owners of their 550 lots at the site of Seagrove Villas. A shuttle would make twice-hourly trips to bring NatureWalk residents and guests to the 340-foot Gulf front property. (Gabriel Tynes/The Sun)

 

[edroedrog]

NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING The Walton County Planning Commission will hold a public meeting to hear projects, on Thursday, January 11, 2007, beginning at 5:00 p.m. at the South Walton County Courthouse Annex located at 31 Coastal Centre Boulevard, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459. The Board will hear the following item(s): 1. LIGHTING ORDINANCE - An ordinance amending Chapter 5 of the Walton County Land Development Code by adding a new Section 5.09.00 Outdoor Lighting, amending the glossary of the Land Development Code; establishing standards and recommendations for exterior lighting; providing for intent and purpose; applicability; definitions; standards; enforcement and penalties; interpretation, authority; severability; and effective date. 2. REDFISH VILLAGE GATEWAY - Les Porterfield as engineer for applicant is requesting approval of a major development consisting of a restroom and pavilion on 0.63 ? acres with a future land use designation of NPA/Infill being reviewed by Jason Bryan. This site is located three lots west of CR 83 and Blue Mountain Road intersection, south of Blue Mountain Road. 3. OSPREY BAY RETREAT F/K/ A AZAR VILLAGE - Norman Azar and Jenkins, Stanford and Associates, Inc. as the engineer of record are requesting approval of a major development consisting of 24 units on 4.64 ? acres with a future land use designation of NPA/Infill being reviewed by Jason Bryan. This site is located northwest of the intersection of Chat Holly Road and Osprey Lane. 4. ABACOS II - Dean Burgis of Emerald Coast Associates, Inc. as engineer of record request approval on a major development consisting a 69,528 sf mixed use building to include 9,155 sf of retail and 19 condominiums of 1.63 acres with future land use designation of Village Mixed Use. This site is located at the northeast corner of CR 393 and CR30A. 5. ALAQUA LANDING A/K/A PINEY POINT ESTATES - Dean Burgis, P.E., of Emerald Coast Associates, Inc. as engineer of record is requesting approval of a major development consisting of 76 single family lots on 38.45 ? acres with a future land use designation of Rural Village. This site is located on the north side of Piney Point Road west of CR 83A, West (West Bay Loop Road). 6. NATURE WALK BEACH CLUB PUD - Seagrove at the Beach, LLC and Kimley-Horn Engineering are requesting approval of a major development consisting of 2 buildings totaling 19,858 square feet to include 2,400 sf of retail, 21 condominiums and beach club on 1.21 ? acres with future land use designation of NPA/Residential Preservation. This site is located at 3031 E County Hwy. 30-A, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459. 7. LSA 07-00.03 - Bonezzi Development Company is requesting a text amendment to the Walton County Comprehensive Plan to allow the use of proportionate fair share payments for developments of regional impact, to be transmitted in conjunction with a proposed development of regional impact identified as Blackstone DRI. The Planning Commission will make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners regarding these items either to approve, approve with conditions or to deny. Any agenda item that is tabled will be scheduled for a future Planning Commission meeting and will not go forward to the Board of County Commissioners until the Planning commission makes a recommendation. The Board of County Commissioners will hold a public hearing on Tuesday, January 23, 2007, at 5:00 p.m. in the Walton County Courthouse Annex located at DeFuniak Springs, Florida 32433 to review and consider the Planning Commission's recommendations on projects that are not continued, tabled or advertised as a special meeting. In accordance with Section 286.26, Florida Statues, whenever any board or commissioner of any state agency or authority, or of any agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or other political subdivision, which has scheduled a meeting at which official acts are to be taken receives, at least 48 hours prior to the meeting, a written request by a physically handicapped person to attend the meeting, directed to the chairperson or director of such board, commission, agency, or authority, such chairperson or director shall provide a manner by which such person may attend the meeting at its scheduled site or reschedule the meeting to a site which would be accessible to such person. In accordance with Section 286.0105, Florida Statutes, all persons are advised that, if a person decides to appeal any decision made by the board, agency, or commission with respect to any matter considered at such meeting or hearing, he or she will need a record of the proceedings, and that, for such purpose, he or she may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made, which record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based. Please be advised accordingly. 2tc: Dec. 28, 2006; Jan. 4, 2007 934F

Here it is. It did make it on the list. How did they get it moved from Feb. to Jan. "FAST TRACK" they say.