Redfish Village Beach Access

[John R]

I believe Brad Zeitlin was/is a partner in Mosaic.

Vagrant, you're right, this thread has shown it's dark side, not pretty. I think much of it was due to innuendo and illinformed posting, which hit some people personally, myself included. FWIW, I have never endorsed this issue for the RFV group, despite what some here would believe. Although, I have enjoyed picking apart the posts of some who post without backup, will not answer direct questions, or post with such arcane references as to be indecipherable.

Good luck with fight to keep your neighborhood intact. Hopefully our BCC will really look this thing in the eye for what it is and make the right decision. Bowing down to developers for the sake of RETT should not be the primary reason for many of the decisions made. If this happens it will open the door for developers to continue to push the envelope to what else they can try for the sake of the sale. I'm bummed I won't be able to make the meeting due to commitments with The Inconvenient Truth.

What I will say again, is that the county population is not getting any smaller and these people will be coming to the beach, and WE ALL need to prepare and plan for it. I hope we don't end up seeing a bunch of little signs out there, it would sure add to the visual polution we already have, re: uncapped walls, off color sand, crap on the beach, etc.

 

[Kevin Thompson]

John I think there are three or four partners in Mosaic.

 

[beachbumguy]

which entity owns the properties being discussed here? New orchard group or mosaic?

 

[beachbumguy]

[SIZE=+1]Corporate Officer/Registered Agent Name List[/SIZE]

Officer/RA NameEntity NameDocument Number[SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]NEW ORCHARD RESORT SERVICES, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L06000045883[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]BEACH LANE 5, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]M03000001822[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]NEW ORCHARD GROUP, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]M03000001826[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]BMT CAPITAL, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]M03000003584[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]BMTBOAT, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]M05000002509[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]THE SAVANNAH AT ROSEMARY BEACH OWNERS' ASSOCIATION, INC.[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]N06000004389[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]AUGUSTINE ON THE PARK CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, INC.[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]N06000004418[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]NEW ORCHARD PROPERTIES, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000034507[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]RB286, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000038011[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]SP76, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000038014[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]WS32, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000048776[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]LAKESIDE 1, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000051972[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]AB8G, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000079042[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]AB9G, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000079044[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]AB7G, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000079047[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]AB10G, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000079051[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]HARBOR PROPERTY HOLDINGS, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000081810[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]CF21, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000090991[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]YELLOWSTONE 140, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L05000097660[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]NEW ORCHARD GROUP II, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L06000014532[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]NEW ORCHARD RESORT SERVICES, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L06000045883[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]HARBOUR HOLDINGS, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]L06000067620[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]SOUTH BARRETT SQUARE, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]M03000003123[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]ZEITLIN, BRAD[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]NEW ORCHARD HOLDINGS, LLC[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]M03000003124[/SIZE]

THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL RECORD; SEE DOCUMENTS IF QUESTION OR CONFLICT

 

[John R]

John I think there are three or four partners in Mosaic.

Kevin, I am sure there are, but not sure how many are also involved in RFV.

 

[Kevin Thompson]

Here we go again. It looks like beachbumguy is edroedrog. Are you guys the same ones who blamed 9/11 on Bush?

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Link doesn't work...

Snapshot below:

http://www.sowal.com/bb/gallery/showimage.php?i=4876

In other words... Mosaic Capital Partners II changed their name to New Orchard Group in October of 2005 (state of Georgia).

SJ, I don't know what it has to do with the subject either but let's give beachbumguy a little latitude.

Beachbumguy, can this bit of info help our cause?

 

[beachbumguy]

Well it may not be important to you all, but it seems like it would be kind of important to know what the name of the developer/company who is doing this development.

If something goes wrong with the development who exactly is responsible/liable?

New Orchard Group, New Orchard Group II, Mosaic Capital Partners I or II?? Redfish Village LLC? H20 Properties?

Kevin Thompson, this has nothing to do with 9/11 and George Bush.

It is simply a question as to who in the hell the developer is and why are there all these different corporations involved with the same individuals?

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the individuals trying to avoid any personal liability.

 

[Kevin Thompson]

Ok I will bite. Where is your property?

What is your position on this issue?

What do you mean by "if something goes wrong with the development"?

And are you saying you think that it is bad for the developers to use LLC's? I use LLC's for my own personal real estate purchases I hope you don't think I am a bad person for that?

What exactly are you trying to say in your post. It is suspect when you jump in and ask innocently "who is this mosaic and new orchard" and an hour later you type in "Redfish Village, LLC" when I do not even see that LLC listed in the list you posted. Your cute little methods are irritating just say what you mean! My motivation is right there for you to argue I want the beach access west of 83 because I am east of 83. Call me selfish but I think it is the best alternative for Blue Mountain Beach. I live in a residential preservation area and west of 83 is mostly condominiums. But you and Edroedrog one in the same constantly come on here and try to make it seem like there is some big conspiracy beyond a developer trying to do something whether for money or not. I have said it before I know people involved and like them so your efforts to smear them as innocent or naive as you try to sound upsets me.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

........My motivation is right there for you to argue I want the beach access west of 83 because I am east of 83. Call me selfish but I think it is the best alternative for Blue Mountain Beach. I live in a residential preservation area and west of 83 is mostly condominiums. But you and Edroedrog one in the same constantly come on here and try to make it seem like there is some big conspiracy beyond a developer trying to do something whether for money or not. I have said it before I know people involved and like them so your efforts to smear them as innocent or naive as you try to sound upsets me.

KT, I've followed your posts with some amusement.

You have repeated your idea above before in this thread (no problem with that). But I'll be damned if you don't appear to look like a RFV insider of some sort.

What's my reason for this observation?

Repeatedly, you have stated that you want the beach access west of 83 because you are east of 83.

Like a clever(?) attorney for RFV, your statement implies that there is going to be a private beach access for RFV on one side or the other. Either way, RFV would get what they want.

BUT, the POINT to this thread is that RFV is not entitled to either lot on either side of the 83 access....PERIOD.

Lack of neighborhood COMPATIBILITY is the reason (as per Walton County's Land Use Code for residential infill zone lots).


OR


You could possibly actually own property on the west side as you say.

It's funny how many "influential" people who live or own property on the "east" side of 83....

George Ralph Miller - RFV attorney, ex-county attorney
Pat Blackshear - Director of Planning, Walton County
Anita Page - SWCC (South Walton Community Council)
Richard Fowlkes - BMBCA (Blue Mtn Beach Community Assoc)

These neighbors probably don't want RFV pedestrian or vehicular traffic going down their public streets either.