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John R

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Gentlemen,

Enough is enough...

...Similing Joe, John R, KT, and others: you have clearly shown that edroedrog has an agenda. I may not be in complete alignment with edroedrog's motivations. Let's say, as an exercise, that edroedrog just wants to see RFV fail for whatever reason...

...Would that change the core matter of this thread?...

...You guys keep throwing knives at each other while the real matter just gets ignored....

I challenge each and every one of you to post your CONCISE...

BMBV, was this post for real? You seem to have taken the pulpit mysteriously vacated by BMBW248, and have been banging out the same rhetoric you wanted to see stopped. what gives? we all get it.

I mentioned this before to walker or edrowhatever, that you guys may be chasing away potential supporters with all the finger pointing, hollow 'facts', dripping sarcasm, etc. and now, you're all but admitting defeat. i'm confused. all this anger over a foregone conclusion? get your ass up there and fight this thing. good luck.
 
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BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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.....and now, you're all but admitting defeat. i'm confused.....
JR, Let me try to clear one thing up here. I'm responding to the part where you say "...and now, you're all but admitting defeat. i'm confused" because I think your statement is inappropriate.

When Jason Bryan of Walton County Planning says, on more than one occasion (and recently as well), that the technical review committee of the planning department (that's TRC for SJ) says that it looks like the project will pass planning, well.....I'll take him on his word. You know very well, however, that the commissioners must vote on this next.

Even your buddy, SJ, said, "I don't expect the Planning Dpt to reject this project. I have rarely seen them reject any project. They shove it up to the County Commissioners (BCC) and let them be the bearer of bad news if there is any to be delivered. The Planning Dpt doesn't like to be yelled at by irate developers or builders."

When I acknowledged this idea, I surely wouldn't call that "admitting defeat" as you say.

Remember that the local press is starting to disclose what is going on as per my post [ame="http://www.sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=191882&postcount=329"]#329[/ame].

It ain't over 'till it's over.

BTW, JR, I appreciate your pointing this out so that I could clarify it.
 

John R

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Inapropriate to be confused? I offered that I was confused(apparently on more than one subject;-) ) If you are not defeated, then good for you. I read you response to SJ incorrectly. Still, if I was in your shoes, I'd have everyone I know in that room tonight making so much noise, that the BCC could hear it in their respective homes. Again, good luck.
 

BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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SJ and JR, can I assume that we are on the same page with this issue? I know we've had our "Hurricane Dennis induced" differences in the past and I hope we can more or less put those behind us. Gotta run.
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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JR, Let me try to clear one thing up here. I'm responding to the part where you say "...and now, you're all but admitting defeat. i'm confused" because I think your statement is inappropriate.

When Jason Bryan of Walton County Planning says, on more than one occasion (and recently as well), that the technical review committee of the planning department (that's TRC for SJ) says that it looks like the project will pass planning, well.....I'll take him on his word. You know very well, however, that the commissioners must vote on this next.

Even your buddy, SJ, said, "I don't expect the Planning Dpt to reject this project. I have rarely seen them reject any project. They shove it up to the County Commissioners (BCC) and let them be the bearer of bad news if there is any to be delivered. The Planning Dpt doesn't like to be yelled at by irate developers or builders."

When I acknowledged this idea, I surely wouldn't call that "admitting defeat" as you say.
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I don't expect the Planning Dpt to reject this project. I have rarely seen them reject any project. They shove it up to the County Commissioners (BCC) and let them be the bearer of bad news if there is any to be delivered. The Planning Dpt doesn't like to be yelled at by irate developers or builders. I forsee a bit of audience reaction tomorrow, but my guess is that it is already a done deal for them. They really don't care about input from the public -- they only listen a little bit because they are required to hear public comments. The only way this project could meet any resistance is if the crowd was lined up to the doors of the court house annex and all were objecting. That is the only way the BCC will listen too.

You have accused me of picking through another person's listing for his property and selecting things in particular. Now I return the favor. You conveniently left off the important last two sentences of my paragraph. A super-sized turnout with many people willing to speak on this issue, has a chance to turn this around, in my opinion. So as John R says, go get everyone you can find and take them with you tonight to help make some noise. With this item being only the second on the agenda, and the NatureWalk Private Club being number 6, you guys could make it very painful for the Planning Committee. ;-) I doubt that I will be able to attend, but you can tell the Committee that I do not see the compatibility with this intended use.
 

BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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..... I doubt that I will be able to attend, but you can tell the Committee that I do not see the compatibility with this intended use.
I don't think people will be "lined up to the doors of the court house annex and all were objecting". However, I understand what you're saying, believe me.

Sincerely, I would prefer you (and any of the others reading this) to tell the Walton County Planning Committee today, yourself, at least via email, even if it's a one statement email disagreeing with their assessment of "compatibility"...

Jason Bryan - assigned to the project
bryjason@co.walton.fl.us

Lois LeSeur - Planning Manager
laslois@co.walton.fl.us

Pat Blackshear - Director of Planning
blapat@co.walton.fl.us

Thanks.
 

Unplugged

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Jul 31, 2005
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Inapropriate to be confused? I offered that I was confused(apparently on more than one subject;-) ) If you are not defeated, then good for you. I read you response to SJ incorrectly. Still, if I was in your shoes, I'd have everyone I know in that room tonight making so much noise, that the BCC could hear it in their respective homes. Again, good luck.
BMBV: Report please...?
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Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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BMBV: Report please...?
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The chain effect is under way. Jason Bryan, County Planner in charge of this project, recommended approval of the project. Planning Commissioner, Tom Patton said that he adds the most weight to the recommendation of our fine Planning Staff. A few people spoke against the proposal, two of whom are attorneys representing clients in the area. I thought that one of our SoWallers was most elequent of all. The last gentleman who spoke against the project wasn't even there for this particular topic, but he spoke against what he thought was obviously wrong. Other people said it in general terms of non-compatibility, but he was more specific in saying the Redfish Village was most like a commercial property with potential rentors coming in every week. When they use this access, it then becomes a commercial extension of the higher density property, however, it is not commercially zoned. He went on to say that once Redfish Village uses this access for financial gain of the commercial property, this private access is considered by County Code to be Commercial property, which it is not zoned for. It is zoned as NPA-Infill -- (Neighborhood Planning Area) which doesn't allow for any commercial uses.

It was obvious that Jason Bryan's speech was well rehearsed, but he was nervous as heck trying to say that it was compatible with code. I wouldn't doubt that someone else helped him write that speech.

The Planning Comm. kindly listened to the public, but they were all suddenly & shockingly silent when the last gentleman spoke (because he caught them with their pants down). He just explained their own code to the Planning Comm. However, they had already made up their mind, and didn't hear anything that was enough to make them change their mind.

It's a small town.

Next step will be for this to go to the Board of County Commissioners (BCC) to seek their approval. They are the next link in the chain. Unless people come out in droves, you should expect the BCC to either table the item, or say that they rely heavily on the Planning Comm, and since they recommended approval, they will likely approve it without raising an eyebrow. Comm. Meadows or Comm. Jones will likely insist that the developer improve the sidewalks to the public access from Redfish Village.


Brad Pickel -- question: The developer of Redfish Village says that they are donating $50,000 to the TDC to go toward building a bathroom at the 83 access, but that the TDC does not have to use those funds to build the bathroom or even use the funds for the 83 public access. What is up with that? Can you speak on where and how these donated funds will be used? It seems to me that since the impact will be on that area, the funds should be used on improving that area. I would love to see restrooms at some of these major public beach access points.
 

Unplugged

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Thank you for the excellent summary SJ - did you see BMBV there too?
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