Mango. as usual, you are correct, it's just that I don't think the State Dept. will ever be telling Israel what to do, given the small land mass of that country, and the fact that they have been attacked repeatedly. I view the Israeli lobby in this country as a fiercely focused group, and one that does not always line up with D.C. Fortunately, Israeli citizens may be growing weary of endless conflict, and may ask their leadership to give back what was won in war. I don't know what will happen. Certainly, as in Iraq, the current situation regarding Palestine is going backwards in terms of political stability.Please explain Bob. My understanding is a large percentage of the funds we give Israel is for them to buy weapons from the United States.
Who has the influence in this scenario?
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What is the magic number when it suddenly becomes wrong? If the gov't can use it as an excuse to hold a person for other reasons, there is a flaw in the system and our freedoms are at risk. What happens when it is used for other purposes in the future? I don't think we are smart enough to know what the future holds. Wasn't it Hitler who took up all of the arms from individuals and said that only gov't should have weapons? I see similar movements for that same thing happening right here in the USA. Maybe it wont affect you today, but what about tomorrow or the next day. Maybe they go after all of the people growing mary jane (they only want the "drug companies" to sell drugs), or abortion doctors, or human rights acitivists, or people who want to unload some truths regarding politicians. It is either right or wrong. I think it is wrong. The US Constitution and Bill of Rights call apply to all people in the USA. If a person is a legitimate threat to our citizens, let him or her stand trial. They should not be held indifinitely. The Gov't will also use their new powers to spy on fellow citizens. Although it is illegal for the CIA to do so, now the NSA has the authority to do it. Just ain't right.
I should have been clearer. I meant influence regarding UT's plan.
We do have lots of influence in our govt.
Given the amount of funds Israel receives, which BTW, is much more than 3 billion, if you count the 2 billion or so in unforgiven loans, not to mention that about 1.5 billion goes over there from private US donations (which is tax deductible and the only country we allow this with)
We have a grayt deal of influence if we demand a peace plan of sorts between the Arabs and Israel.
OMG! You have got to be kidding with this. Do you re-read your posts?
Ok, let?s review:
Quote- Uncle Timmy:?Well your average Bush supporter had no trouble blaming the 9-11 deaths on Iraq so I?m curious as to why you feel the Iraqis will look elsewhere for someone to blame for the state of their country.?
Quote-6thGen:?Not to be condescending, even though everyone knows I am a condescending ahole, but don?t you have anything beyond anecdotes and rhetoric? If what you state is correct, and neither of us has any way of knowing, the average Bush supporter isn?t very bright. The administration never claimed that.?
I clearly said the average Bush supporter, not the Bush Administration. Whereupon I posted the Zogby poll asking the following question:
Do you agree or disagree that there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 terror attacks?
Republicans agreed 65%
So yes, 6thGen, the average Bush supporter did blame the 9-11 deaths on Iraq. I will let you follow thru on your last point about the intelligence of the average Bush supporter.
Bob,
Olmert is toast and have been for a while. I?m surprised he hasn?t gotten The Knesset vote of no-confidence already. Look for Israel to take a more aggressive stance before they hand over the territories with Likud and Netanyahu taking the reins and doing our dirty work soon.
Olmert is toast and have been for a while. I?m surprised he hasn?t gotten The Knesset vote of no-confidence already. Look for Israel to take a more aggressive stance before they hand over the territories with Likud and Netanyahu taking the reins and doing our dirty work soon.
Ok, I?ll walk you thru the numbers, very slowly?.
Canada -1856 barrels a day
Saudi/Iraq/Kuwait -2262 barrels a day
Now let?s review:
Quote- 6thGen: That?s just not true. The U.S. imports about half of the oil we consume. We import the same amount of Canada that we do from all of the Middle East combined.
No, we do not import the same amount of Canadian oil as we do from all the Middle East combined.
I will let you get back to me on the point of why I posted the numbers???
I dare you to contact an economist and suggest that the loss of 1,559 thousand barrels of oil from Saudi Arabia daily is nothing to worry about.
Honestly, 6th- I am happy to debate anyone on these issues but you are really very tedious. I'm going to make a general perception about your posts and ask for others to agree or disagree.
-Your points are very incoherent. From your follow up comments it seems that you are not even sure what your original point was.
pardon me for a moment while I go back to sticking my head into a hole the beach.
Oh, come on SJ, we both know the Feds aren't throwing Americans in the clink for growing pot, performing abortions, for being a loudmouth, etc.
maybe not yet... but my point is that we don't know about the future, although we have given them permission to abuse the system at any time they want to do so. ;-)