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30A Skunkape

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maybe not yet... but my point is that we don't know about the future, although we have given them permission to abuse the system at any time they want to do so. ;-)

I feel pretty certain that as long as your name isn't Smiling Mohammed al JOe, you don't have an expired visa and you don't regularly wire thousands of dollars into Syria, you will be left alone. You can even keep your guns!:cool:
 

Uncle Timmy

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OK, I will keep it simple. What in the hell does Bush supporters' opinion on Saddam and 9/11 have to do with who Iraqis blame for their problems?

The tendancy of Republicans, post 9-11 to point the finger of blame at Iraq is an example, from our own country, of how easy it is for politicians to whip up public sentiment (in a time of crisis) against all reason or evidence to the contrary.

You expressed doubt that Iraqis would blame the US for the tens of thousands of deaths in Iraq post-US invasion; given the fact that most of the violence is sectarian.

So the question isn't who actually killed who in Iraq, but who are the Sectarian leaders pointing the finger at? Who is getting the blame? And, as you originally expressed, is it all that hard to see how this is easy to shift blame, given the ease to which it was done in this country.

Please check the latest anti-American polls from Iraq if you need graphic evidence.
 

Smiling JOe

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I feel pretty certain that as long as your name isn't Smiling Mohammed al JOe, you don't have an expired visa and you don't regularly wire thousands of dollars into Syria, you will be left alone. You can even keep your guns!:cool:
What about Smiling Bin Laden JOe?
 

6thGen

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Ok, I?ll walk you thru the numbers, very slowly?.

Canada -1856 barrels a day
Saudi/Iraq/Kuwait -2262 barrels a day

Now let?s review:

Quote- 6thGen: That?s just not true. The U.S. imports about half of the oil we consume. We import the same amount of Canada that we do from all of the Middle East combined.

No, we do not import the same amount of Canadian oil as we do from all the Middle East combined.

I will let you get back to me on the point of why I posted the numbers???

I dare you to contact an economist and suggest that the loss of 1,559 thousand barrels of oil from Saudi Arabia daily is nothing to worry about.

Honestly, 6th- I am happy to debate anyone on these issues but you are really very tedious. I'm going to make a general perception about your posts and ask for others to agree or disagree.

-Your points are very incoherent. From your follow up comments it seems that you are not even sure what your original point was.




You insinuated that we were completely reliant on MidEast oil. I said it wasn?t true, that we imported more oil from Canada than we do the entire region combined, and we only imported about half of what we consume. That was true at FYE05 numbers I found, so good work on finding new ones. Yes, a loss of several thousand barrels per day is something to worry about. Again on making jumps ? why are the Sauds going to quit shipping oil our way and how it their regime going to fall?
 

6thGen

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The tendancy of Republicans, post 9-11 to point the finger of blame at Iraq is an example, from our own country, of how easy it is for politicians to whip up public sentiment (in a time of crisis) against all reason or evidence to the contrary.

So the question isn't who actually killed who in Iraq, but who are the Sectarian leaders pointing the finger at? Who is getting the blame? And, as you originally expressed, is it all that hard to see how this is easy to shift blame, given the ease to which it was done in this country.

Please check the latest anti-American polls from Iraq if you need graphic evidence.


Does not follow. As for the polls, do you honestly believe that even in the short term, Shiites and Kurds see the US as responsible for their situation? I'm sure the Sunnis do, but that is only because they were the ones removed from power. The leaders in that region have been pointing fingers at the Great Satan for years, so the anti-American polls are going to show consistency.
 

30A Skunkape

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The tendancy of Republicans, post 9-11 to point the finger of blame at Iraq is an example, from our own country, of how easy it is for politicians to whip up public sentiment (in a time of crisis) against all reason or evidence to the contrary.

You expressed doubt that Iraqis would blame the US for the tens of thousands of deaths in Iraq post-US invasion; given the fact that most of the violence is sectarian.

So the question isn't who actually killed who in Iraq, but who are the Sectarian leaders pointing the finger at? Who is getting the blame? And, as you originally expressed, is it all that hard to see how this is easy to shift blame, given the ease to which it was done in this country.

Please check the latest anti-American polls from Iraq if you need graphic evidence.


Like this one? OK, I know you will find another one someplace else 180 degree out of phase, but still, it does fly in the face of the conventional wisdom:cool:

From The Sunday TimesMarch 18, 2007

Iraqis: life is getting better
Marie Colvin
MOST Iraqis believe life is better for them now than it was under Saddam Hussein, according to a British opinion poll published today.

The survey of more than 5,000 Iraqis found the majority optimistic despite their suffering in sectarian violence since the American-led invasion four years ago this week.

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.

Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month.

By a majority of two to one, Iraqis believe military operations now under way will disarm all militias. More than half say security will improve after a withdrawal of multinational forces.

Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, said the findings pointed to progress. ?There is no widespread violence in the four southern provinces and the fact that the picture is more complex than the stereotype usually portrayed is reflected in today?s poll,? she said.
 

Jdarg

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I am thinking how much fun this would all be with a live audience, say at Red Bar. The thread's major players could sit up front and discuss, everybody drinks, and the peanut gallery cheers at the appropriate (or the more common inappropriate) moment.:clap_1: What say y'all?
 
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