Items on the beach overnight

[scooterbug44]

Makes one grumpy after you take the time to stay in compliance and space is difficult to find in the morning because one was stupid enough to believe people would behave only 3 days since the sweep. Doh!!

Speaking to other beach guys, we're "120% behind this ordinance IF it's properly done." Difficult to convince visitors and customers we must pull the chairs around 5pm if they see others leaving tents and such out at night. Must repeat....it will get better, it will get better.

Should I feel bad for setting up chairs in front of a tent that I know was left out overnight?

Nah. ;-)

I know I appreciate the effort you guys are putting into complying!

I think it should be SOP to put chairs in front of neglected tents .

 

[seaside2]

TnJed,
HAIL NO!!

 

[BeachSiO2]

Whole lot of stuff left out last night. I was down at the Eastern Lake area around 6am this morning and could easily tell from the lack of tracks in the sand after the rain last night, that tents, chairs and everything were all left out last night.

Makes one grumpy after you take the time to stay in compliance and space is difficult to find in the morning because one was stupid enough to believe people would behave only 3 days since the sweep. Doh!!

Speaking to other beach guys, we're "120% behind this ordinance IF it's properly done." Difficult to convince visitors and customers we must pull the chairs around 5pm if they see others leaving tents and such out at night. Must repeat....it will get better, it will get better.

Should I feel bad for setting up chairs in front of a tent that I know was left out overnight?






Nah. ;-)

I agree it's great that you guys are doing your best to make this program work, but I also had a question since you seem to be a VERY conscientious vendor.

When you get your permit to provide vending services are you provided with a copy of the ordinance that is related to beach activities? The reason I ask is that with any other business, the business owner is expected to follow any laws that are related to the operation of their buisness whether or not they are ever enforced. I know that may seem unfair just like when you have two businesses that are conducting the same service and one follows the law and the other doesn't. It just seems that in the case with vendors who aren't as conscientious as you there would be an opportunity to clean those up very quickly.

As for private individuals, I agree it will take more sweeps, education, and enforcement. Hopefully it will help with Sgt/Mr. Brown coming on board as Beach Activities.

 

[Miss Kitty]

TnJed,
HAIL NO!!

..do it do it do it!!!!

 

[ShallowsNole]

I did hear that Ryan Brown was leaving the WCSO and taking a county position; that's all Fuzz knew. If it is Beach Activities Coordinator, that is wonderful. He is a PERFECT fit for that.

 

[BeachSiO2]

I did hear that Ryan Brown was leaving the WCSO and taking a county position; that's all Fuzz knew. If it is Beach Activities Coordinator, that is wonderful. He is a PERFECT fit for that.

It is and I couldn't agree more.

 

[TNJed]

When you get your permit to provide vending services are you provided with a copy of the ordinance that is related to beach activities? The reason I ask is that with any other business, the business owner is expected to follow any laws that are related to the operation of their buisness whether or not they are ever enforced. I know that may seem unfair just like when you have two businesses that are conducting the same service and one follows the law and the other doesn't. It just seems that in the case with vendors who aren't as conscientious as you there would be an opportunity to clean those up very quickly.

As for private individuals, I agree it will take more sweeps, education, and enforcement. Hopefully it will help with Sgt/Mr. Brown coming on board as Beach Activities.

At the vendors meeting early this spring we were all provided with the ordinances and verbally told about this enforcement starting this year. Took a while to get to it, but we were warned.

In any business where you work literally side by side with your "competitors" one wants to work with one another and not against each other, so I won't be outing any of them. Mostly because we have the same interests, look out for one another, and I understand their dilemma in clearing a beach only to find it was filled by public gear the next morning. I'm a small new company so it's easier for me to find a space here or there for my few set ups.

Yes we are expected to do what is asked of us by law as in any business. Our specific problem is the public cannot be held accountable quickly enough, at the present moment, to the same laws which makes our job and reasoning to customers much more difficult. Especially when renters take a dozen or so little metal chairs and stretch them out over a 20 yard section of water front space next to half a dozen tents, for the second night in a row.

As for businesses being held accountable, permits are revocable so I'm not about to risk mine. I'll leave that consequence up to the other owners and just do my best to go about my own business.

I'm keeping the faith and not looking for an overnight solution (ha! ok, technically i guess I am), just keeping track of the progress to help those who'd like to know how to improve it.

Edit: I just wanted to add, though I appreciate the thought, I'm certainly not the only conscientious owner. Just one of the few that knows about posting here.

 

[Smiling JOe]

I did notice that Sam Wesley, of Grayton Beach Services, had more than the usual number of chair setups last week.

 

[scooterbug44]

Sounds like getting the word out to all the visitors ASAP that no stuff can be left on the beach overnight would be the best way to deal with the problems you mentioned.

Enforcement/manpower is always an issue, but I'm hoping that most folks are leaving items out because of ignorance of the rules rather than deliberate violation, so that once the word gets out there will be less stuff and those folks will be the focus of the ticketing.

 

[BeachSiO2]

At the vendors meeting early this spring we were all provided with the ordinances and verbally told about this enforcement starting this year. Took a while to get to it, but we were warned.

In any business where you work literally side by side with your "competitors" one wants to work with one another and not against each other, so I won't be outing any of them. Mostly because we have the same interests, look out for one another, and I understand their dilemma in clearing a beach only to find it was filled by public gear the next morning. I'm a small new company so it's easier for me to find a space here or there for my few set ups.

Yes we are expected to do what is asked of us by law as in any business. Our specific problem is the public cannot be held accountable quickly enough, at the present moment, to the same laws which makes our job and reasoning to customers much more difficult. Especially when renters take a dozen or so little metal chairs and stretch them out over a 20 yard section of water front space next to half a dozen tents, for the second night in a row.

As for businesses being held accountable, permits are revocable so I'm not about to risk mine. I'll leave that consequence up to the other owners and just do my best to go about my own business.

I'm keeping the faith and not looking for an overnight solution (ha! ok, technically i guess I am), just keeping track of the progress to help those who'd like to know how to improve it.

Edit: I just wanted to add, though I appreciate the thought, I'm certainly not the only conscientious owner. Just one of the few that knows about posting here.

I can imagine the looks you get when you have to pull your gear and the "renters" look down the beach and say but hey, they left theirs out. Good luck and great post keep tracking that progress. Luckily, I know of a few more conscientious ones also. ;-)