Who is, this man??? Why does he want to save, my country?

[Smiling JOe]

If he does not win the Republican nomination, I hope he would run as a Third Party candidate. He has not stated anything of the sort, but imho, I don't think he has ruled it out. If he did not run as a Third Party candidate, I would write-in Ron Paul on my ballot.

Interesting that you bring this up. I recall reading that Ron Paul is still a potential nominee of both the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, even though he currently seeking nomination with the GOP.

 

[DuneAHH]

If he does not win the Republican nomination he has zero chance of winning nationally. So you would write him in, instead of trying to change things slowly with the ultimate result being to get someone like RP in office. This sort of strategy, imho, is why things will never change. It makes no sense if you want to win.

Sorry, I'm not understanding what you're saying here...please clarify / expand.

 

[Smiling JOe]

Listening to all of the GOP news peeps, who are very influential with their audiences, I have not heard any mention of Ron Paul, but I often hear them talk about the need for Iraq to be squashed. With that in mind, I doubt Ron Paul has a chance in hell at getting the GOP nomination, unless all the dems switch to reps and vote him in, and that sure is heck isn't going to happen because he doesn't offer HillaryCare.

 

[User 3]

If he does not win the Republican nomination he has zero chance of winning nationally. So you would write him in, instead of trying to change things slowly with the ultimate result being to get someone like RP in office. This sort of strategy, imho, is why things will never change. It makes no sense if you want to win.

Have you looked at the Zogby polls? He fairs pretty well with all sides of the political spectrum. I do agree it would be a long shot for him to win as a write-in, but I am not sure what I would be winning if I voted for a "top-tier" candidate with whom I don't agree.

I have ran more than one campaign myself. And the lack of organization is going to be the downfall here. How are you going to get people motivated if they do not even know where to go to meet others?

I have seen more Signs and Billboards and Blimps and Airplanes and Boats and "money bombs" displaying Ron Paul's name than all of the other candidates combined. I am pretty sure you need a little organization to put all of that together. I agree there needs to be more, and I know there are more organized efforts on the way, the problem will be getting the media to cover all of this organization.

 

[Smiling JOe]

The question is will enough individuals contribute to his campaign? He boasts that he doesn't want the money/ties to big business, and that he relies on contributions from individuals. However, all politicians seem to know that the real money comes from promises to big businesses.

 

[Bdarg]

bdarg,

Good question. As I understand it, Constitutionalists and Libertarians are in agreement that basic rights like freedom from slavery is a Federal issue. Not a State issue. If an issue is addressed in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendments to the Constitution, it is a Federal issue. If the issue is not, it would be a State issue. So, they would be in agreement with Abe Lincoln in that States should not be able to make decisions on things such as slavery. Control of Gambling, Drinking, abortion, marriage, smoking, drug use, etc are not the role of Federal Gov't, as they are not addressed in Constitution and or Amendments, or the Bill of Rights. Does that make sense?

Not fully.

The civil war was state's rights vs. federal rights. (Slavery, I am sorry to say, only came into play as a battle tactic.) The union was for the union trumping the state, the confederacy was states trumping the union. Thus, as the name implies a confederacy of states, allied but not ruling over each other. All the examples you have given could, and many have, been argued at one time or another to be covered by the state and by the feds. The constitution, as in the case of slavery, was amended in order to cover the issue.

There are many things that I find enticing about the Libertarians and their principles, however, many years ago I had the pleasure to hear a national Libertarian Presidential candidate speak. His basic tack was that everyone should have freedom to do anything they want. If that freedom over runs the freedoms of another, then the offended party should file legal action to stop that activity, be it dumping toxic pollutants in the river upstream of the complainant or having the noisy dog. The river example was one that he actually used in his speech. Not that I think all libertarians are like their particular presidential candidate that year, but it made me realize that backing off the conventions that we have built as a nation in order to provide marginally more liberty while promoting exceedingly more lawsuit does not seem a feasible way to run a country. Kant, Hume, Mills, et al were for individual rights, but I think they also saw a balance between the liberty of individual and the need to out a careful limit on some liberties for the greater good.

 

[30abob]

The meetup site says Panera Bread at Destin Commons. I am sure someone can correct that. IF I were to decide to drive all the way down there I would certainly not want to go to the wrong place.

I think they just decided to change at the last Destin Commons meetup. I didn't go, my wife did, so I'm repeating 2nd hand info.

 

[wrobert]

I have seen more Signs and Billboards and Blimps and Airplanes and Boats and "money bombs" displaying Ron Paul's name than all of the other candidates combined. I am pretty sure you need a little organization to put all of that together. I agree there needs to be more, and I know there are more organized efforts on the way, the problem will be getting the media to cover all of this organization.

I guess I am a poor communicator. I was talking about the fact that there are two locations for the next south Walton meetup, several miles apart, and no one seems to know which one is the real one.

 

[wrobert]

The question is will enough individuals contribute to his campaign? He boasts that he doesn't want the money/ties to big business, and that he relies on contributions from individuals. However, all politicians seem to know that the real money comes from promises to big businesses.

He may shun money from big business, but if what you see on the internet is true, lol, then he will take money from just about anyone who is warm and still breathing.

 

[User 3]

I guess I am a poor communicator. I was talking about the fact that there are two locations for the next south Walton meetup, several miles apart, and no one seems to know which one is the real one.

Wednesday Dec12 6:00 PM

Our next Meetup:
Ron Paul and Panera Bread

Want to meet other Ron Paul supporters?
Come to Panera Bread in the Destin Commons every Wednesday night at 6pm!
Nothing fancy, just food, friends, and lots of Ron Paul talk.
Got ideas for getting the word out that this is Ron Paul country?? Be there.

When? Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007, 6:00 PM

Where? Panera Bread
Destin Commons
Destin, FL 32541

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RSVP limit Only 20 members (including guests) can RSVP 'Yes' or 'Maybe' for this Meetup. There's still room for 18 more.
Who? 2 members have said Yes

I don't see two locations listed on here and this is directly off their site.