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wrobert

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I think everyone in the US of A should be able to get affordable health insurance, regardless of pre-existing conditions or whether or not s/he has ever been on antidepressants, for goodness sakes. I think Hillary is the only candidate who really cares about that issue.

So if you are a Doctor, do you think the government should be able to tell you what to charge and whom to see as a patient?

If you are healthy, should the government be able to force you to buy health insurance?

Is it fair that you pay a set premium on health insurance when you live a healthy lifestyle, yet your neighbor, who does not, pays the same amount?
 

30A Skunkape

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Does anyone honestly think a government issued card guarantees decent healthcare? I fear that many providers will not want to be involved with such a beast and simply practice cash for service medicine. As it stands now, a baby insured by medicaid that comes in for a routine visit is a money loser for me...I am given about $3 to see the baby, answer questions, do paperwork and dictate, so roughly $3 for 45 minutes of work and that does not include the cost of equipment, staff, etc. All I urge people to do is be careful what they wish for...
 

Camp Creek Kid

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Use this link: http://www.mittromney.com/Issues/healthcare to see Mitt's innovative approach to revamping the American healthcare system. He had success in Mass. in offering healthcare to over 300,000 previously uninsured patients.

Mitt advocates using principles of free enterprise and better fiscal responsiblity (no waste) to improve the system and make it accessible to everyone. In contrast, Hilary wants to offer healthcare to everyone using the weak system that is already in place. As Dr. Skunky pointed out, Medicaid is no good already.
 

hnooe

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GOP you make a good point-- personally, I am an organic food eating, daily gym exercising, health "nut." My biggest pet peeve is people with bad cholesteral who eat Redi Whip and ice cream and ALSO take expensive anti-cholesteral drugs!!!! Why should I pay for their blissfully ignorant bad habits...

This is a hot topic issue though..this thread could go on forever, thanks for bring it up.

My View: The health Care system in the US is run by special interests pure and simple. Now which party will have the courage to fight them?

The Democrats better start fighting or they may lose the battle.

The problem in selling Universal Health Care is not making it seem like a tax increase. *Ensuring the quality doesn't decrese for the average American (avoid wait times etc). Controlling the pharmaceutical industry(you guys pay 60% on average more then the rest of the world epr dollar spent). Decide who controls Health Care spending the states or the federal governement. Finally, it's going to cost to set up. *

Now all of these problems have solutions for example in Canada health Care is RUN by the provinces but the Federal government partially funds it and provides standards for the provinces to meet. *

Now all the problems have solutions but the hardest to mount will be tackling the special interests that like the money rolling in.....you'll have ad campaigns calling universal health care the end of research in the US, you'll have families in waiting room's with a sick child with a sign saying 5 hour wait etc....it'll be nasty, but it can be done!
 

Camp Creek Kid

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[Now all of these problems have solutions for example in Canada health Care is RUN by the provinces but the Federal government partially funds it and provides standards for the provinces to meet. *
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If Canada's healthcare system is so great, why do the Canadians come to the U.S. for specialists? This summer and fall in Alberta, the hospitals were full and they send dozens of pregnant women 200 to 300 miles south to Montana to deliver babies. The hospital WOULD NOT accomodate these women who were about to give birth, but it worked out fine because they had the U.S. to fall back on. Who will we fall back on? Are you prepared to go to Mexico for surgery (for that matter, Mexicans who can afford it also come to the U.S.)

You are a healthy person and don't like to pay for other peoples' health problems. In that same line of thinking, my husband is self employed therefore we pay for all of our own health insurance. I don't like to pay for someone else's health insurance when people, who could afford insurance CHOOSE not to buy it. There are people who can't afford it, and reforms have to be made. However, we should think of health insurance as a necessity--something we pay monthly just like our power bill.

There are obviously problems in the the healthcare industry, but the U.S. has the highest quality hospitals, the best medical schools, the most innovative research, and the most motivated doctors in the world.
 
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Mango

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GOP you make a good point-- personally, I am an organic food eating, daily gym exercising, health "nut." My biggest pet peeve is people with bad cholesteral who eat Redi Whip and ice cream and ALSO take expensive anti-cholesteral drugs!!!! Why should I pay for their blissfully ignorant bad habits...

First, I'm confused on your stance. Secondly, there are people who due to heredity factors or chronic diseases who may have health issues outside their control as contributing factors to high cholesterol or weight issues, etc.
Lastly, I would ask before anyone starts a new thread, they do a search for past threads. There has already been a lengthy discussion about this topic that's quite informative.
http://sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13600&highlight=universal+healthcare
 
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30A Skunkape

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Wouldn't it make sense to tax the living bejeezum out of organic foods and divert that money to federal healthcare? After all, people who spend all that money on expensive organic foods are obviously rich so it will not hurt them to pay for poor people to get health insurance. Right?
 

hnooe

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First, I'm confused on your stance. Secondly, there are people who due to heredity factors or chronic diseases who may have health issues outside their control as contributing factors to high cholesterol or weight issues, etc.
Lastly, I would ask before anyone starts a new thread, they do a search for past threads. There has already been a lengthy discussion about this topic that's quite informative.
http://sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13600&highlight=universal+healthcare

Health care as a "personal responsility issue/preventative issue"--whoa--maybe yet another thread.

Absolutely, if there is inherited cholesteral problems in one's family they should get whatever assistance they need, be it Private or Universal--BUT if they still choose Redi Whip, Ice cream on top of their pre-exiting condition, then I have a real problem with that.
 

30A Skunkape

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Health care as a "personal responsility issue/preventative issue"--whoa--maybe yet another thread.

Absolutely, if there is inherited cholesteral problems in one's family they should get whatever assistance they need, be it Private or Universal--BUT if they still choose Redi Whip, Ice cream on top of their pre-exiting condition, then I have a real problem with that.

So you would be comfortable forcing people with high cholesterol or type II diabetes to eat what you (or some government 'expert') think is appropriate for them?
 

elgordoboy

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Wouldn't it make sense to tax the living bejeezum out of organic foods and divert that money to federal healthcare? After all, people who spend all that money on expensive organic foods are obviously rich so it will not hurt them to pay for poor people to get health insurance. Right?

So you would be comfortable forcing people with high cholesterol or type II diabetes to eat what you (or some government 'expert') think is appropriate for them?
I agree with you on both of these. The tax on the organic food would be a fairer way of distributing the burden to those who deserve and can afford it. Forcing people to eat certain things may be tough to actually do but you are on the right track.
 
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