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PeterFrohwein

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Aug 29, 2007
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Ralph Nader is as irrelevant as a Corvair. It is thanks to he and Katherine Harris that we have had to endure the last, painful, 8 years..go away Nader!!! Please!

Nader being in the 2000 election was a good thing. Where the system failed us, was the legal system and the supreme court. When it/they gave the presidency to George W. Nader has spent his life helping others.
There is no greater calling than that.
 

up4golf

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Nov 23, 2007
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Nader being in the 2000 election was a good thing. Where the system failed us, was the legal system and the supreme court. When it/they gave the presidency to George W. Nader has spent his life helping others.
There is no greater calling than that.
ralph's votes gave us the boob, without those votes we would of had al bore (yes bore), shame on those who chose nader.
 

elgordoboy

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Feb 9, 2007
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What makes either having a white woman or a black man running for
president in anyway progressive? Why does color/race or gender matter anyway ? What makes Democrats progressive ? Progressive defined:
making progress. I have seen no real progress from either the Republicans or Democrats in many years, regardless of race or gender.

In recent years we have tried Bill Clinton (Democrat) that was a disaster. Then 8 years of George W (Republican), the net effect of his
administration has been like the whole country has been hit by a hurricane. Everything is a mess! And it will take years to clean up.

Nader has a long history of getting things done and making a real difference. I believe that Reagan was the last president to actually do some real good for this country and that was almost 20 years ago!
Nice definition on progressive. If I asked you to define making progress would you then state "progressive"? I didn't say Democrats were progressive I said having a black male and a woman candidate is progressive. Were it Republicans with the varied selection I would say the same of them. Somebody other than an old white guy being a serious contender for the presidency is a huge deal and very much making progress, if you cannot recognize that then debating with you would be a waste of time.
 

PeterFrohwein

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Aug 29, 2007
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Nice definition on progressive. If I asked you to define making progress would you then state "progressive"? I didn't say Democrats were progressive I said having a black male and a woman candidate is progressive. Were it Republicans with the varied selection I would say the same of them. Somebody other than an old white guy being a serious contender for the presidency is a huge deal and very much making progress, if you cannot recognize that then debating with you would be a waste of time.

The definition of progressive came from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. I suggest that if you have a problem with the definition that you contact them. By your logic, any white woman or black man on the street would be perfect to be our next president ?? I think you are missing the point here, it is not the person that is important, it is their ideas! How do they think? Do they have strong ethics, morals and values ? Are they worthy to be leaders? Will they make a real difference ? Color, Race, Age, or Gender are non-issues. Choosing a leader based on these non-issues is not progressive nor is it wise.

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.
 

seagrovegirl

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Feb 9, 2008
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The definition of progressive came from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. I suggest that if you have a problem with the definition that you contact them. By your logic, any white woman or black man on the street would be perfect to be our next president ?? I think you are missing the point here, it is not the person that is important, it is their ideas! How do they think? Do they have strong ethics, morals and values ? Are they worthy to be leaders? Will they make a real difference ? Color, Race, Age, or Gender are non-issues. Choosing a leader based on these non-issues is not progressive nor is it wise.

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.

Well said, PF:clap:
 

Kurt

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Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.

I agree and have always admired the man. He is in the race for similar reasons as Paul, because it gives them a voice during the campaign to speak about issues that are important to them and the country. People criticize Nader for taking votes away from Gore. In my opinion that is probably Gore's fault for not being a better candidate. But if Gore had won I doubt we would have invaded Iraq. If I were Nader that would weigh heavily on my conscience.

Being in the race also boosts the post-campaign recognition and efforts of Nader, Paul, and Huckabee. And any other candidate for that matter.
 
I respect Mr. Nader's many accomplishments, and the desire for more open dialogue.
But why does he enter the race right *now* rather than before?
Strictly because of Hillary Clinton?
I can't help but think there is some ego in there.
He could do enormous good in a presidential cabinet, but I don't see that he helps our country as much in the role he is playing now.
He talks about how people have the power, and we do, but that power needs to be put to focused, practical use.
YouTube - BARACK OBAMA and HILLARY CLINTON as seen by RALPH NADER
 

Mystified

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Jan 6, 2008
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i see o'bama is pissed off that nadar will run for pres. oh, the heat is on. competition baby!!!! let the fun begin!
 

elgordoboy

Beach Fanatic
Feb 9, 2007
2,507
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I no longer stay in Dune Allen
The definition of progressive came from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. I suggest that if you have a problem with the definition that you contact them. By your logic, any white woman or black man on the street would be perfect to be our next president ?? I think you are missing the point here, it is not the person that is important, it is their ideas! How do they think? Do they have strong ethics, morals and values ? Are they worthy to be leaders? Will they make a real difference ? Color, Race, Age, or Gender are non-issues. Choosing a leader based on these non-issues is not progressive nor is it wise.

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.
Yes any white woman or black man off the street would be perfect for to be our next president maybe even a person that can't speak english. Go to merriams and look up logic you aren't using the word correctly. Straight from the Merriam-Webster online site:
Main Entry: 1pro?gres?sive Pronunciation: \prə-ˈgre-siv\ Function: adjective Date: circa 1612
1 a: of, relating to, or characterized by progress b: making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c: of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2: of, relating to, or characterized by progression
3: moving forward or onward : advancing
4 a: increasing in extent or severity <a progressive disease> b: increasing in rate as the base increases <a progressive tax>
5often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of
7: of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths<progressive bifocals>
Where is your definition?
Racial and gender equality are non issues?!?
 
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