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Throw Grandma Under the Bus
by Ann Coulter
Posted: 03/19/2008

Obama gave a nice speech, except for everything he said about race. He apparently believes we're not talking enough about race. This is like hearing Britney Spears say we're not talking enough about pop-tarts with substance-abuse problems.
By now, the country has spent more time talking about race than John Kerry has talked about Vietnam, John McCain has talked about being a POW, John Edwards has talked about his dead son, and Al Franken has talked about his USO tours.
But the "post-racial candidate" thinks we need to talk yet more about race. How much more? I had had my fill by around 1974. How long must we all marinate in the angry resentment of black people?
As an authentic post-racial American, I will not patronize blacks by pretending Obama's pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is anything other than a raving racist loon. If a white pastor had said what Rev. Wright said -- not about black people, but literally, the exact same things -- I think we'd notice that he's crazier than Ward Churchill and David Duke's love child. (Indeed, both Churchill and the Rev. Wright referred to the attacks of 9/11 as the chickens coming "home to roost.")
Imagine a white pastor saying: "Racism is the American way. Racism is how this country was founded, and how this country is still run. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority. And believe it more than we believe in God."
Imagine a white pastor calling Condoleezza Rice, "Condoskeezza Rice."
Imagine a white pastor saying: "No, no, no, God damn America -- that's in the Bible for killing innocent people! God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human! God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme!"
We treat blacks like children, constantly talking about their temper tantrums right in front of them with airy phrases about black anger. I will not pat blacks on the head and say, "Isn't that cute?" As a post-racial American, I do not believe "the legacy of slavery" gives black people the right to be permanently ill-mannered.
Obama tried to justify Wright's deranged rants by explaining that "legalized discrimination" is the "reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up." He said that a "lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families."
That may accurately describe the libretto of "Porgy and Bess," but it has no connection to reality. By Rev. Wright's own account, he was 12 years old and was attending an integrated school in Philadelphia when Brown v. Board of Education was announced, ending "separate but equal" schooling.
Meanwhile, at least since the Supreme Court's decision in University of California v. Bakke in 1978 -- and obviously long before that, or there wouldn't have been a case or controversy for the court to consider -- it has been legal for the government to discriminate against whites on the basis of their race.
Consequently, any white person 30 years old or younger has lived, since the day he was born, in an America where it is legal to discriminate against white people. In many cases it's not just legal, but mandatory, for example, in education, in hiring and in Academy Award nominations.
So for half of Rev. Wright's 66 years, discrimination against blacks was legal -- though he never experienced it personally because it existed in a part of the country where he did not live. For the second half of Wright's life, discrimination against whites was legal throughout the land.
Discrimination has become so openly accepted that -- in a speech meant to tamp down his association with a black racist -- Obama felt perfectly comfortable throwing his white grandmother under the bus. He used her as the white racist counterpart to his black racist "old uncle," Rev. Wright.
First of all, Wright is not Obama's uncle. The only reason we indulge crazy uncles is that everyone understands that people don't choose their relatives the way they choose, for example, their pastors and mentors. No one quarrels with idea that you can't be expected to publicly denounce your blood relatives.
But Wright is not a relative of Obama's at all. Yet Obama cravenly compared Wright's racist invective to his actual grandmother, who "once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."
Rev. Wright accuses white people of inventing AIDS to kill black men, but Obama's grandmother -- who raised him, cooked his food, tucked him in at night, and paid for his clothes and books and private school -- has expressed the same feelings about passing black men on the street that Jesse Jackson has.
Unlike his "old uncle" -- who is not his uncle -- Obama had no excuses for his grandmother. Obama's grandmother never felt the lash of discrimination! Crazy grandma doesn't get the same pass as the crazy uncle; she's white. Denounce the racist!
Fine. Can we move on now?
No, of course, not. It never ends. To be fair, Obama hinted that we might have one way out: If we elect him president, then maybe, just maybe, we can stop talking about race.
 

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Something interesting to read.

Throw Grandma Under the Bus
by Ann Coulter
Posted: 03/19/2008

Obama gave a nice speech, except for everything he said about race. He apparently believes we're not talking enough about race. This is like hearing Britney Spears say we're not talking enough about pop-tarts with substance-abuse problems.
By now, the country has spent more time talking about race than John Kerry has talked about Vietnam, John McCain has talked about being a POW, John Edwards has talked about his dead son, and Al Franken has talked about his USO tours.
But the "post-racial candidate" thinks we need to talk yet more about race. How much more? I had had my fill by around 1974. How long must we all marinate in the angry resentment of black people?
As an authentic post-racial American, I will not patronize blacks by pretending Obama's pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is anything other than a raving racist loon. If a white pastor had said what Rev. Wright said -- not about black people, but literally, the exact same things -- I think we'd notice that he's crazier than Ward Churchill and David Duke's love child. (Indeed, both Churchill and the Rev. Wright referred to the attacks of 9/11 as the chickens coming "home to roost.")
Imagine a white pastor saying: "Racism is the American way. Racism is how this country was founded, and how this country is still run. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority. And believe it more than we believe in God."
Imagine a white pastor calling Condoleezza Rice, "Condoskeezza Rice."
Imagine a white pastor saying: "No, no, no, God damn America -- that's in the Bible for killing innocent people! God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human! God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme!"
We treat blacks like children, constantly talking about their temper tantrums right in front of them with airy phrases about black anger. I will not pat blacks on the head and say, "Isn't that cute?" As a post-racial American, I do not believe "the legacy of slavery" gives black people the right to be permanently ill-mannered.
Obama tried to justify Wright's deranged rants by explaining that "legalized discrimination" is the "reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up." He said that a "lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families."
That may accurately describe the libretto of "Porgy and Bess," but it has no connection to reality. By Rev. Wright's own account, he was 12 years old and was attending an integrated school in Philadelphia when Brown v. Board of Education was announced, ending "separate but equal" schooling.
Meanwhile, at least since the Supreme Court's decision in University of California v. Bakke in 1978 -- and obviously long before that, or there wouldn't have been a case or controversy for the court to consider -- it has been legal for the government to discriminate against whites on the basis of their race.
Consequently, any white person 30 years old or younger has lived, since the day he was born, in an America where it is legal to discriminate against white people. In many cases it's not just legal, but mandatory, for example, in education, in hiring and in Academy Award nominations.
So for half of Rev. Wright's 66 years, discrimination against blacks was legal -- though he never experienced it personally because it existed in a part of the country where he did not live. For the second half of Wright's life, discrimination against whites was legal throughout the land.
Discrimination has become so openly accepted that -- in a speech meant to tamp down his association with a black racist -- Obama felt perfectly comfortable throwing his white grandmother under the bus. He used her as the white racist counterpart to his black racist "old uncle," Rev. Wright.
First of all, Wright is not Obama's uncle. The only reason we indulge crazy uncles is that everyone understands that people don't choose their relatives the way they choose, for example, their pastors and mentors. No one quarrels with idea that you can't be expected to publicly denounce your blood relatives.
But Wright is not a relative of Obama's at all. Yet Obama cravenly compared Wright's racist invective to his actual grandmother, who "once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."
Rev. Wright accuses white people of inventing AIDS to kill black men, but Obama's grandmother -- who raised him, cooked his food, tucked him in at night, and paid for his clothes and books and private school -- has expressed the same feelings about passing black men on the street that Jesse Jackson has.
Unlike his "old uncle" -- who is not his uncle -- Obama had no excuses for his grandmother. Obama's grandmother never felt the lash of discrimination! Crazy grandma doesn't get the same pass as the crazy uncle; she's white. Denounce the racist!
Fine. Can we move on now?
No, of course, not. It never ends. To be fair, Obama hinted that we might have one way out: If we elect him president, then maybe, just maybe, we can stop talking about race.
Kind of makes me want to claw my eyes out, that was nearly as painful as having to watch her on tv with the over exagerrated expressions and bobbing adams apple. Unless any of us whiteys are named Navin Johnson I don't believe we are qualified to make judgements on being black in America.
 

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while I do understand where cck is coming from her her points above, I respectfully disagree with the comparison of the black experience with Italians and other immigrants. this view seems very narrow. it is never that simple.

my Italian family came from sicily, and ended up in Bham where they did experience difficulty and eventual success in their acceptance into society. but their obstacles were very very different from the african american in every way. because Italians were white, and did not come from such circumstances as slavery and widespread/accepted bigotry, came to america by choice, and with skills, they were fairly readily accepted and able to fully participate in society, even if they did experience obstacles. there can be no comparison imo.

the black experience in America is still a unique one. I doubt there are many on this board who can really speak to it. however, like many issues we'll have many different thoughts and opinions, based on our experiences and beliefs.


Tootsie, my example of the immigrant experience was only to show that every ethnic group, religion, race, and gender has had difficulties and could justify having a hatred for the "establishment" of this country. Yet, hate such as Reverend Wright's is not the norm. I would argue that many Asians and Hispanics have suffered racism similar to the Black experience. Chinese migrant workers were heavily "employed" during the Westward Expansion of the 19th Century in the railroads and mines. They were denied their Civil Rights and were basically little more than slaves. However, I personally am not aware of an instance where Asian Americans have race-wide hatred of the United States. In fact, Americans of Asian descent have risen above the trials of their ancestors and are extremely successful academically and professionally. If the United States is reeking with racism, why do these people succeed?

In my own world, although I am Caucasian, I have experienced, and still experience, bigotry and discrimination for my choice of religion. My ancestors were driven from their homes in the middle of winter with no place to go. Women gave birth to babies in the snow in Iowa and both babies and mothers died of exposure. These injustices occurred time and time again for at least 1/2 a century. The United States government refused to offer protection for these people, even though these people were citizens of the United States and even though freedom of religion is guaranteed by our Constitution. Yet, I do not hate my country for its failures. I love my country for its successes--for the fact that things worked out and that I have the right to practice my religion. I have never once considered the fact that my failures should be blamed on my country.

Now, I know my experience isn't the black experience, but that is my point. We all have our own experiences. There is opportunity that we may taken for granted and may not notice. (We thought a Harvard education was out of our reach, but a family member is currently a student there.) No one is free from trials. All of us must use our trials to become stronger and better people. We each need to take the trials that God gives us and overcome them.

So I have a problem with the whole premise of Obama's speech. I want a president who is proud of his/her country and who is proud of its people.
 
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Ann Coulter has some seriously bad karma. :blink:
 

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Amazing how we can all listen to the same words of a speech, and yet hear a completely different message.
 

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Tootsie, my example of the immigrant experience was only to show that every ethnic group, religion, race, and gender has had difficulties and could justify having a hatred for the "establishment" of this country. Yet, hate such as Reverend Wright's is not the norm. I would argue that many Asians and Hispanics have suffered racism similar to the Black experience. Chinese migrant workers were heavily "employed" during the Westward Expansion of the 19th Century in the railroads and mines. They were denied their Civil Rights and were basically little more than slaves. However, I personally am not aware of an instance where Asian Americans have race-wide hatred of the United States. In fact, Americans of Asian descent have risen above the trials of their ancestors and are extremely successful academically and professionally. If the United States is reeking with racism, why do these people succeed?

In my own world, although I am Caucasian, I have experienced, and still experience, bigotry and discrimination for my choice of religion. My ancestors were driven from their homes in the middle of winter with no place to go. Women gave birth to babies in the snow in Iowa and both babies and mothers died of exposure. These injustices occurred time and time again for at least 1/2 a century. The United States government refused to offer protection for these people, even though these people were citizens of the United States and even though freedom of religion is guaranteed by our Constitution. Yet, I do not hate my country for its failures. I love my country for its successes--for the fact that things worked out and that I have the right to practice my religion. I have never once considered the fact that my failures should be blamed on my country.

Now, I know my experience isn't the black experience, but that is my point. We all have our own experiences. Life isn't easy for anyone. Not all of us get to go to Harvard. Not all of us are wealthy. No one is free from trials. All of us must use our trials to become stronger and better people. We each need to take the trials that God gives us and overcome them.

So I have a problem with the whole premise of Obama's speech. I want a president who is proud of his/her country and who is proud of its people.
I see a great difference in religious persecution and persecution because of one's race. A cross was given to Christ to carry and he could have laid it down but he chose not to. Mormon, Jew, Baptist, Catholic- who is to know until you choose to reveal it? In a society that sometimes treats differently what it sees as different, how do you hide being black? Yes a person should not have to hide his/her racial (non)differences but we as a white dominated American society made race an issue long before the black American did. I am 34 years old and less than half my lifetime ago the clan was holding meetings in the public park in the old city of Norcross, GA and rallies at Stone Mountain Park. U S KKK A? Not a ridiculous pov where I came from. I remember ordering a burger at Mighty Casey's on 141 and the kid behind the counter was a black guy I had gone to HS with. Behind me in line was a fellow in a black t-shirt with 3 white hooded heads and a tall burning cross imprinted on the front along with something to the effect of "KKK Rally #soandso Stone Mountain 1991". I can't think of anything that I have had to suffer as denigrating as this. Country run by rich white men? Amen! tell it brother!. I'll equate the 9/11 statement by Jeremiah Wright that I have heard with the tearing up of the 10 million dollar check given to Giuliani by Alaweed--torn up because Alaweed commented something like "It would behoove America to understand why some people feel this is appropriate behavior". Sounds like a sensible stance to me. When I read Obama's speech and I suspend my disbelief for a bit and take the speechifier at face value, I find its message to be beautiful and something to be striven for.
 

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I see a great difference in religious persecution and persecution because of one's race. A cross was given to Christ to carry and he could have laid it down but he chose not to. Mormon, Jew, Baptist, Catholic- who is to know until you choose to reveal it? In a society that sometimes treats differently what it sees as different, how do you hide being black? Yes a person should not have to hide his/her racial (non)differences but we as a white dominated American society made race an issue long before the black American did. I am 34 years old and less than half my lifetime ago the clan was holding meetings in the public park in the old city of Norcross, GA and rallies at Stone Mountain Park. U S KKK A? Not a ridiculous pov where I came from. I remember ordering a burger at Mighty Casey's on 141 and the kid behind the counter was a black guy I had gone to HS with. Behind me in line was a fellow in a black t-shirt with 3 white hooded heads and a tall burning cross imprinted on the front along with something to the effect of "KKK Rally #soandso Stone Mountain 1991". I can't think of anything that I have had to suffer as denigrating as this. Country run by rich white men? Amen! tell it brother!. I'll equate the 9/11 statement by Jeremiah Wright that I have heard with the tearing up of the 10 million dollar check given to Giuliani by Alaweed--torn up because Alaweed commented something like "It would behoove America to understand why some people feel this is appropriate behavior". Sounds like a sensible stance to me. When I read Obama's speech and I suspend my disbelief for a bit and take the speechifier at face value, I find its message to be beautiful and something to be striven for.

wow gordhead. :love:;-):wave: that was beautiful.

cck:
So I have a problem with the whole premise of Obama's speech. I want a president who is proud of his/her country and who is proud of its people.

well, someone said above that people will always have a problem with obama but they were never going to vote for him in the first place. Its like Bush's speech yesterday about how successful and important the war is. He will never convince me of that, or anything else for that matter. My brain is not able to listen to him and believe one word he says. so, its a matter of perspective, and beliefs, I guess.

as far as being proud of his/her country - well, Obama certainly has demonstrated this for several years - and especially the last 2 years on the campaign trail. why would anyone subject themselves and their family to such sacrifice unless they believed with their whole heart in America? he's surely proven his patriotism and love for his country, imo.
 

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Something interesting to read.

Throw Grandma Under the Bus
by Ann Coulter
Posted: 03/19/2008

.... Can we move on now?
No, of course, not. It never ends. To be fair, Obama hinted that we might have one way out: If we elect him president, then maybe, just maybe, we can stop talking about race.

I think Ann and the Reverend might just have some things in common.. :wave: they are both very dramatic and like spreading the hate... Ann has a larger audience though, with much more influence.. she wins.
 

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I actually got an email yesterday that said that Obama was the Anti-Christ and referenced Revelations. :shock:

The scariest thing is that it was sent to me by a FAMILY MEMBER! I love my family but REALLY???:shock:

did you have a snappy comeback on hand?:lolabove:

I've had this same thing happen more than once. I usually ignore, or I forward a snopes link if available, saying "just fyi, you are forwarding incorrect information again..." can you imagine forwarding such inflammatory information about anyone ever, when you know how wrong it is? people really have no sense of decency anymore. they are probably sitting in church every single sunday.
 
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