Please, Please, Please Indiana....

[rapunzel]

Please Indiana...please make the smart choice. Please bring this silly season to a close. Please go against expectations, and let this be the night.

As anyone who's read my posts or followed the news has known since March, Barack Obama is going to end the primary season with more delegates than Hillary Clinton and the only way for her to get the nomination is for the superdelegates to override the elections. All this tacky pandering and negative campaigning that we've suffered through for the past couple of months has been pretty pointless, and has only turned off many people that had been re-engaged by the positive tone of the early race.

Indiana isn't expected to to be any different than Ohio and Pennsylvania, the media expects that they'll go for the populist message and racial division that worked so well in other working-class Ohio Valley areas. Apparently, though, there is a reason to think that maybe, perhaps, they aren't going to.

For those of you signed up to make calls for Obama, they have sent out an urgent GOTV plea -- which I think, based on previous experience, means they think they've got a shot.

Please, Indiana...bring this to an end!

But if they do....this is our one night without a primary party! Still...I'll be skipping around the house by myself singing that song about Indiana from the Music Man and that will be good enough!

 

[tistheseason]

Can you imagine the state of the democratic party IF the superdelegates override the popular vote??? I don?t want to see it. Come on Indiana, save us the misery and let?s put this thing to bed!

 

[rapunzel]

I got on the phone to make some calls. I got a list of 15 people, all men. So far, four calls...four women have answered and wanted to know what I wanted with their husbands. Oops.

Hey Mermy, what's up with Carmel? I think they're prejudiced against Southerners...

Tis -- you should make some calls since you don't have an accent. :funn:

 

[BeachSiO2]

I slightly disagree on the thought of superdelegates overriding something. IMO, superdelegates don't override anything. They follow the rules and vote just like the rules say they can, and just like I did in SC for Obama. What would be the problem if on day one all the superdelegates would have came out and said we are all voting for Hillary instead of later in the process.

To me, that argument is just like Hillary saying that if the Dems used the Republican's nominating rules, I would already be the nominee, which is equally ludicrous. Everyone started with the same rules and now must live by them. Now if people want the rules changed, get to it.

I am starting a new movement. Don't deny Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico their ability to have a say in the nomination!!!!

 

[Mermaid]

I got on the phone to make some calls. I got a list of 15 people, all men. So far, four calls...four women have answered and wanted to know what I wanted with their husbands. Oops.

Hey Mermy, what's up with Carmel? I think they're prejudiced against Southerners...

Tis -- you should make some calls since you don't have an accent. :funn:

Carmel is an extremely affluent suburb of Indianapolis. They are typically afraid to cross the borders into our city for fear of urban contamination. (No I'm not joking. ) Most of them have probably never heard a true Southern accent like yours so you must excuse them for being discombobulated. Your voice is outside their realm of expectations.

I've just come back from voting and my vote was the 611th entered, which is easily more than four times the usual turnout for primaries.I feel like I'm part of history being made! It's really exciting today in the city. Lots of buzz. Last night Philippa and her boyfriend (and 21,000 like-minded friends) went downtown to hear Obama speak. They couldn't stay past 9pm, though, so they missed hearing him though they were treated to a Stevie Wonder concert.

The 10 pm news is going to be so interesting tonight! Oh, Punzy, I think you may call us smart.

 

[scooterbug44]

I got on the phone to make some calls. I got a list of 15 people, all men. So far, four calls...four women have answered and wanted to know what I wanted with their husbands. Oops.

Ha-ha! You don't call and ask for the husband in the Midwest unless you are a relative. You just got a bunch of men in trouble because some Southern floozy called for them! :rofl:

 

[BeachSiO2]

Ha-ha! You don't call and ask for the husband in the Midwest unless you are a relative. You just got a bunch of men in trouble because some Southern floozy called for them! :rofl:

Especially if she told them her name was Rapunzel

 

[rapunzel]

I slightly disagree on the thought of superdelegates overriding something. IMO, superdelegates don't override anything. They follow the rules and vote just like the rules say they can, and just like I did in SC for Obama. What would be the problem if on day one all the superdelegates would have came out and said we are all voting for Hillary instead of later in the process.

To me, that argument is just like Hillary saying that if the Dems used the Republican's nominating rules, I would already be the nominee, which is equally ludicrous. Everyone started with the same rules and now must live by them. Now if people want the rules changed, get to it.

Oh, I don't dispute that it is within their rights to swing to a candidate other than the one who received the most pledged delegates. I just think it would be tragic for the future of the party if they did that.

Watching Carville last night on Nightline just convinced me that if this goes on much longer, we are going to see a convention fight that is a virtual repeat of Chicago in 1968...a generational fight that leads people to feel contempt for the party and the process. Indiana could be a game changer, and while I'm not terribly optimistic they will it would be such a fantastic relief.

 

[rapunzel]

Ha-ha! You don't call and ask for the husband in the Midwest unless you are a relative. You just got a bunch of men in trouble because some Southern floozy called for them! :rofl:

Floozy! OMG, I love it. If he wins, I'll call back tonight and thank them in my best Scarlett at the barbecue voice!!

 

[BeachSiO2]

Oh, I don't dispute that it is within their rights to swing to a candidate other than the one who received the most pledged delegates. I just think it would be tragic for the future of the party if they did that.

Watching Carville last night on Nightline just convinced me that if this goes on much longer, we are going to see a convention fight that is a virtual repeat of Chicago in 1968...a generational fight that leads people to feel contempt for the party and the process. Indiana could be a game changer, and while I'm not terribly optimistic they will it would be such a fantastic relief.

I agree it would be tragic, but my point is that I think portraying them as overriding something is not a valid argument as if they pledged to a candidate early then how could they be overriding anything. They are voting their conscious just like everyone else. I also think it points out that the Republicans aren't the only party ran by old codgers who make up the establishment. They were the party at least smart enough to not give the establishment too much power.

Or maybe "the Party leaders" knew this and set it up that way to begin with. I can see it now, "ok let's say we are the party of the people, and we are progressive, and we support the little people, but in the end make sure we can be the master puppeteer." Sad state of affairs no doubt, but politricks at its best.