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hnooe

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Jul 21, 2007
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I got on the phone to make some calls.

It is a sad state of affairs, I must admit, but the only phone calls most Americans will be willing to make tonight will be for their favorite super-star-in-the making, on American Idol...very sad.:dunno:
 

GoodWitch58

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Oct 10, 2005
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So, why do you all think this is true? Why are there not more citizens willing to be involved in our government process?

I am appalled at how little most people know or care about our process...and, those who do care and want to make a difference, are labeled Elite...and I am not just speaking of Senator Obama.

What is it with our citizens?
 

rapunzel

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Nov 30, 2005
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I agree it would be tragic, but my point is that I think portraying them as overriding something is not a valid argument as if they pledged to a candidate early then how could they be overriding anything. They are voting their conscious just like everyone else. I also think it points out that the Republicans aren't the only party ran by old codgers who make up the establishment. They were the party at least smart enough to not give the establishment too much power.

Or maybe "the Party leaders" knew this and set it up that way to begin with. I can see it now, "ok let's say we are the party of the people, and we are progressive, and we support the little people, but in the end make sure we can be the master puppeteer." Sad state of affairs no doubt, but politricks at its best.

Well, Fiddle-Dee-Dee BeachSiO2! You used to be so much fun! All this political talk is just makin' my head swim!

Override was a poor word choice, I apologize. Honestly, I just don't think the SDs will swing to her in numbers substantial enough to change the outcome. I do think that Carville and the old DLC guard will hammer Obama and Dean hard and often all the way through the summer if this goes on, because they want to regain control of the party. I think most of the events of the primary season have shown just how democratic the party is, and how money and name recognition and donor lists don't trump ideas. Look at Obama and compare that to Paul, and I think you'll see that the old guard doesn't have a complete stranglehold on the DNC. With that said, there is something nice about a stranglehold -- one could use it to choke Carville and Wolfson. You're right, however...this all just needs to play out. The three pleases in the title weren't for the Obama campaign -- they were for me and my poor nerves on a very personal level.
 

rapunzel

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Nov 30, 2005
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So, why do you all think this is true? Why are there not more citizens willing to be involved in our government process?

I am appalled at how little most people know or care about our process...and, those who do care and want to make a difference, are labeled Elite...and I am not just speaking of Senator Obama.

What is it with our citizens?

Have you made any calls? It really is difficult. People by and large are not civil. I hate making calls. I love to canvass, but calls are hard. But, I'm glad to do it.

After 12 pointless calls, I found a guy who wasn't sure where he was supposed to go....47 minutes, and I got one vote out of it. Boy, did that make my day.
 

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GoodWitch58

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Oct 10, 2005
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Have you made any calls? It really is difficult. People by and large are not civil. I hate making calls. I love to canvass, but calls are hard. But, I'm glad to do it.

After 12 pointless calls, I found a guy who wasn't sure where he was supposed to go....47 minutes, and I got one vote out of it. Boy, did that make my day.

Yes, I have and it is difficult...so many people seem clueless, or angry, or both. I am consoled by the fact that so many new people (younger ones I think)are coming out to vote this time--and that more people in general are voting...that is good.

I just see so much apathy in day to day life--regular folks do not seem to connect to the fact that they can have an active "say" in what happens. So many want to complain about what "they" are doing...but, seem genuinely surprised when I ask what they have done: have your written or called or emailed your Congressperson? Have you written a letter to the editor? Have you signed up to work in a campaign? Have you gone to a meeting? etc., etc.

Maybe too many of us are working so hard to keep it all together...but, it seems like the idea of advoacy and public service got left behind somewhere.

Okay. Rant over.:blink:
 

BeachSiO2

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Jun 16, 2006
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Well, Fiddle-Dee-Dee BeachSiO2! You used to be so much fun! All this political talk is just makin' my head swim!

Override was a poor word choice, I apologize. Honestly, I just don't think the SDs will swing to her in numbers substantial enough to change the outcome. I do think that Carville and the old DLC guard will hammer Obama and Dean hard and often all the way through the summer if this goes on, because they want to regain control of the party. I think most of the events of the primary season have shown just how democratic the party is, and how money and name recognition and donor lists don't trump ideas. Look at Obama and compare that to Paul, and I think you'll see that the old guard doesn't have a complete stranglehold on the DNC. With that said, there is something nice about a stranglehold -- one could use it to choke Carville and Wolfson. You're right, however...this all just needs to play out. The three pleases in the title weren't for the Obama campaign -- they were for me and my poor nerves on a very personal level.

I am still funn, I am just getting more and more fed up with both parties. One doesn't have a good candidate, and one doesn't know if they have a good candidate or not. It is frustrating for me also, albeit on the sidelines, having to see the ongoing test of mettle to see how it is all going to play out like a soap opera. I wish you all the best for your nerves, and hope that you don't see the party explode, or then again it would take care of at least one of the current two evils and maybe a more inclusive party would actually emerge.

Hmm, where is the Architect when you need him. Paging Target shopper, paging Target shopper?:D
 

BeachSiO2

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Jun 16, 2006
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Have you made any calls? It really is difficult. People by and large are not civil. I hate making calls. I love to canvass, but calls are hard. But, I'm glad to do it.

After 12 pointless calls, I found a guy who wasn't sure where he was supposed to go....47 minutes, and I got one vote out of it. Boy, did that make my day.

Maybe just one today but I remember at least one more you helped find a place to vote ;-)
 

BeachSiO2

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Jun 16, 2006
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I just see so much apathy in day to day life--regular folks do not seem to connect to the fact that they can have an active "say" in what happens. So many want to complain about what "they" are doing...but, seem genuinely surprised when I ask what they have done: have your written or called or emailed your Congressperson? Have you written a letter to the editor? Have you signed up to work in a campaign? Have you gone to a meeting? etc., etc.

Maybe too many of us are working so hard to keep it all together...but, it seems like the idea of advoacy and public service got left behind somewhere.

Okay. Rant over.:blink:

I can definitely tell that you have worked in government before as this describes what I saw also.
 
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