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Do you support gay marriage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 45 67.2%
  • No, for political reasons.

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • No, for religious reasons.

    Votes: 14 20.9%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 7 10.4%

  • Total voters
    67

6thGen

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As far as social security, would you tell a heterosexual couple that are childless that they are not a family? or one that adopted a child? Families are made all different ways. I find that argument baseless. Even the Catholic church would argue that. Annulments are granted when one party does not wish to have children.

Of course not. I never alluded to that. However, if we want a continuation of society, children must be involved, hence the fact that a mother, father and children (adopted or natural) are shown to be the most beneficial to social security.
 

scooterbug44

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Based on your argument, even though I am a law abiding, well educated, and gainfully employed American I am not improving the social security of this country because I am childless! :dunno:
 

Smiling JOe

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Personally, I don't think the Gov't should be regulating marriage. Marriage is a binding agreement between two consenting people, not two people plus the gov't, and the church (in many cases). Marrriage is just another control that the gov't and church has over people.

I read some interesting conflicting thoughts online from www.faithfacts.org, which sides against gay marriage. The article could have stopped after the first two paragraphs, and served great purpose, but instead, the writer continued, and began contradicting the opening two paragraphs. The writer also quotes another author in the article, who states that homosexuality will prevent procreation. LOL! Right -- if everyone was homosexual, that might be the case, but knowing about the animal world, I seriously doubt even that. Anywho, if you are looking to better understand people's religious reasons against homosexuality, you will find the article ... (???) "interesting."

The article begins:

Christians, especially, are sensitive to the issue of fairness. Most sincere Christians have the biblical attitude that we are all sinners and we all have our struggles, straight or gay. We are each one, not just a little bit sinful on the edges?we are deeply depraved, with sin touching every aspect of our being. So in terms of our sinful nature, we are all in this together. Thus, Christians recognize that people in a homosexual lifestyle are people, made in the image of God, who should be treated fairly by all.


Admittedly, it is not a perfect world and some may have an "us versus them" mentality which is decidedly unbiblical and wrong. To the extent that some people, in the name of Christianity, have fostered a hateful attitude toward any group of people, we sincerely apologize.


While it is very important to strive for fairness for everyone, it is equally important to consider an important concept: While all people are created equal, not all ideas or behaviors are equal. There is, in fact, a hierarchy of ideas. This is intuitively obvious, as well as biblically obvious. And it is the place at which we must begin. It is the key statement that must be made in this debate.


In the area of human sexuality, for example, adultery is not morally equivalent to fidelity. Prostitution is not morally equivalent to sex with love. Fornication is not morally equivalent to the virtue of chastity....
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I'll leave you with a religious quote from the Bible (New International Version -- NoHall's favorite). The passage is on the topic of adultery, but it is simply enough to show that in the eyes of Jesus, we don't have to look further than the reflection in the mirror to find sin. I don't remember reading passages in the Bible which say that one sin is worse than others.
Matthew 5:27-30



27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
 

hnooe

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Jesus, Martin Luther King Jr., Thomas Jefferson--wow, they all had their detractors during their time I guess, no?

Mr "FQ" and I, by going to Cali to get the license, are like living, "minor" revolutionaries too-- following something very deep in "our" core too. The only difference between them and us is that we are alive and ready to make things happen now!:D It is "a New Earth," and Election Day this year will be like no other in our history also.
 
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6thGen

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Like I said before, I'd love for the federal government to stay out of marriage (and education, labor, agriculture, transportation, energy, housing, health and human services, etc.) but that ship has sailed. Haven't read the linked article, but Christians find support from Paul on the belief that homosexuality is a sin. Edit - completely disagree on the hierarchy of sin. Sin in man's eyes has a hierarchy, not in God's eyes. Hell hath one temperature, even if Dante had a beautiful narrative. Before you start, no I'm not making judgment on who is/is not going to hell, not my place, but noting that I don't believe sin has degrees.
 
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seagrovegirl

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Most people who are homophobics or anti-gay or gay haters are typically people who are unenlightened and don't care to be. Yet, they can spout off their uneducated opinions "just because." Just because my daddy didn't like gays, or just because I am afraid they are going to hit on me, or just because they perceive them as "different." Or...the bible says it is a sin. There are lots of sins in the bible, like sex before marriage, saying God's name in vain...to name a few....and most of us are guilty of some or all of the above, and then some. The bible also says we are not to judge, that is HIS calling.
 

scooterbug44

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God says quit arguing and make it legal in Florida to help the economy! :D

And that a lot of folks who keep claiming the "moral" high ground are standing on quicksand!
 
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6thGen

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Most people who are homophobics or anti-gay or gay haters are typically people who are unenlightened and don't care to be. Yet, they can spout off their uneducated opinions "just because." Just because my daddy didn't like gays, or just because I am afraid they are going to hit on me, or just because they perceive them as "different." Or...the bible says it is a sin. There are lots of sins in the bible, like sex before marriage, saying God's name in vain...to name a few....and most of us are guilty of some or all of the above, and then some. The bible also says we are not to judge, that is HIS calling.


See my point in #177, w/r/t ignorance. See my point above w/r/t the rest of the post. Also, I didn't vote in the poll, it's pretty clear where I stand.
 

seagrovegirl

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Not the best sample size, and not a valid comparison unless you compare the divorce rate since Mass passed the law allowing such. Look to the Dutch for a more salient comparison.

Between 1995 and 2002, there were 1,526 gay partnerships contracted, compared to 280,000 for heterosexual couples. Five out of 1,000 new couples in Sweden are same-sex. Sixty-two percent of those are male same-sex unions.

There was a high rate of legal divorce among homosexual couples in Sweden. Gay male couples were 50% more likely to divorce within an eight-year period than were heterosexuals; and lesbian couples were 167% more likely to divorce than heterosexual couples.

Regardless of the divorce rate......same sex marriage/civil union should be up to the individual..not me, not you, not our government. What the heck difference does the divorce rate have to do with whether these unions should be legal or not. Hetero marriages have a terrible track record, however, for those that do stay together for life, they have the added legal benefit of survivorship. Gays should have the right to that...legally...if they choose.
 

6thGen

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Regardless of the divorce rate......same sex marriage/civil union should be up to the individual..not me, not you, not our government. What the heck difference does the divorce rate have to do with whether these unions should be legal or not. Hetero marriages have a terrible track record, however, for those that do stay together for life, they have the added legal benefit of survivorship. Gays should have the right to that...legally...if they choose.

SWGB brought up the divorce rate, I simply refuted it. As to not affecting others, look to Catholic Charities of Coston was forced out of the adoption business for refusing to allow gays to adopt. The next step is churches who don't sanction gay marriages losing tax exempt status. NPR had mention of this in the coming storm for equal treatment of same-sex marriages v. freedom to exercise religious beliefs. The next step, as we've already seen here, with your previous post as one of several examples, is to stigmatize, marginalize and repress anyone who disagree's with the new opinion on sexual orientation as bigots.
 
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