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Mango

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But you were mocking the fact that she went to school in Idaho. Not cool.

Noooo, but if I was given a choice between hiring either people, based solely on education, who would be the obvious choice? My point, again, is that I don't feel that Obama even came close to the level of reproach in the statement you printed above in comparison to Palin's attack at the convention. Frankly, I wish he said nothing other than the people who support him clearly see his accomplishments, and left it that. Obama isn't running against Palin. And no, I am not am Obamabot. Actually, if the truth be known, I have been a registered Republican all my life. I was a member of the Young Republicans in my district in my early 20's. I am currently in the middle of reading "man of the People, The life of John McCain, my second book about him, so I was clearly looking forward to him speaking Friday at the convention, but decided to forego that after listening the night before before I was unenamoured with what I saw. I wonder how many people supporting a candidate could say they have read anything unbiased and informative about the opposing candidate and what formed their lives?
 

Alicia Leonard

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Noooo, but if I was given a choice between hiring either people, based solely on education, who would be the obvious choice? My point, again, is that I don't feel that Obama even came close to the level of reproach in the statement you printed above in comparison to Palin's attack at the convention. Frankly, I wish he said nothing other than the people who support him clearly see his accomplishments, and left it that. Obama isn't running against Palin. And no, I am not am Obamabot. Actually, if the truth be known, I have been a registered Republican all my life. I was a member of the Young Republicans in my district in my early 20's. I am currently in the middle of reading "man of the People, The life of John McCain, my second book about him, so I was clearly looking forward to him speaking Friday at the convention, but decided to forego that after listening the night before before I was unenamoured with what I saw. I wonder how many people supporting a candidate could say they have read anything unbiased and informative about the opposing candidate and what formed their lives?

I agree with you, Mango. I had vacillated back and forth, until I saw Palin speak. If she had spoken on issues, I would have had a harder time deciding. The attacks sent me to the other side. Now with Reps crying foul over the media, and not allowing her to speak on the major political talk shows, solidify's my feeling that McCain did not make his pick for the right reasons, unless his reason was to win at any cost, including the cost to Americans by not having a qualifed VP, if he goes in and something happens to him.
 
I keep hearing that Sara Palin "attacked" Barrack Obama and that these "attacks" were "unfair." Let's examine what she actually said.

1. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. A good sound bite but is not mean but is a comparison. Also sounds true to me, although I have never been a Mayor.

2. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.

We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.


This is a biting comment for sure, but Obama did make the statement, the context is accurrate and I think it is safe to say that most of us do not like people saying one thing to our face and another behind our back. Since the Obama campaign loves to bring up McCain's "100 years in Iraq" comment, I think this is fair.

3. We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.
And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.
First line is sarcastic, second is even-handed.

4. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

Sarcastic, but a 47 year old who has authored two memiors is strange.


5. This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign.

I think this is a fair question how a candidate for President talks about this nation's current conflict.

6. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.
Clearly the most biting, sarcastic comment. The "turning back waters, healing the planet" comment was over the top.

7. America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it.
Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.
Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.
Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? Government is too big ... he wants to grow it.
Congress spends too much ... he promises more.
Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.
The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses.
How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you're trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio ... or create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia ... or keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.
How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy? Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election.

These are policy statements and comparisons. Whether you agree or not is up to the listener.

All in all this stuff is less "mean" and "unfair" than the attacks on Palin's daughter, motherhood and family.
 

Alicia Leonard

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I keep hearing that Sara Palin "attacked" Barrack Obama and that these "attacks" were "unfair." Let's examine what she actually said.

1. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. A good sound bite but is not mean but is a comparison. Also sounds true to me, although I have never been a Mayor.

2. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.

We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.


This is a biting comment for sure, but Obama did make the statement, the context is accurrate and I think it is safe to say that most of us do not like people saying one thing to our face and another behind our back. Since the Obama campaign loves to bring up McCain's "100 years in Iraq" comment, I think this is fair.

3. We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.
And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.
First line is sarcastic, second is even-handed.

4. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

Sarcastic, but a 47 year old who has authored two memiors is strange.


5. This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign.

I think this is a fair question how a candidate for President talks about this nation's current conflict.

6. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.
Clearly the most biting, sarcastic comment. The "turning back waters, healing the planet" comment was over the top.

7. America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it.
Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.
Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.
Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? Government is too big ... he wants to grow it.
Congress spends too much ... he promises more.
Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.
The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses.
How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you're trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio ... or create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia ... or keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.
How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy? Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election.

These are policy statements and comparisons. Whether you agree or not is up to the listener.

All in all this stuff is less "mean" and "unfair" than the attacks on Palin's daughter, motherhood and family.

I see no long or short term policy statement in her speech. No stand of how they are going to change things. No plan on what they want to do to make our lives better, just half truths, as proven on Fact check, about what they think about the other side. I am for one tired of this type of campaigning and I want clear concise answers from both sides about what they plan to do, not what they think of the other side! What are her answers? Because I can't find them.
 

Chickpea

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I am a mother, who loves my kids (just like you all, republican and democrat alike) - I am also a working person who is passionate about her work (just like many of you). I am also a political junkie and very concerned about the future of this country (like many of you).

I have ZERO interest at all in any sort of debate about what type of woman Pain is because she is raising a family and wants to also work in public office. In my book that is admirable and I am of the belief that one can juggle both quite competently if one is resourceful, has a loving family and a good support network - so let's please table this discussion altogether because it has little bearing on Palin's ability to be a VP (IMHO). Let's agree she is a good mother and a good governor and move on.

I also right now, (given the fact that we have less than 2 months unti lthe general election) have ZERO interest in talking about her experience, her lack of it, Obama's experience or his lack of it - I am so fed up with the media shirking their responsibilities and distracting everyone with their meaningless issues. We have a number of terribly serious crisis in this country and the time for substantive discussion is NOW.

So now where do we stand: as Americans (Republicans and Democrats alike), we all have the responsibility to vet Palin on her positions, on her PUBLIC record, we should have the right to ask her questions on the economy, on energy, on her positions about drilling, on foreign policy, on war, on her religious beliefs and whether she feels she has a right to allow those to permeate her positions of policy matters, etc..etc... The McCain camp should allow Palin to stand alone and answer the serious questions reporters have - the media and its pundits should quit harping on the mummy wars, and then maybe we can have a serious conversation about her qualifications and abilities. The republicans believe she is up to the task (and they do not give a hoot that democrats disagree - and why should they given how partisan everyone is these days) - it is up to Palin to now prove she is indeed up to the task, SO.... everyone with silly questions and distractions - please STEP aside so the rest of us (regardless of our leanings) can try decipher what we need to know.
 
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Rita

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Miss Kitty;463706................. A few agreed with her and feel that no one is holding Obama's feet to the fire said:
I see no long or short term policy statement in her speech. No stand of how they are going to change things. No plan on what they want to do to make our lives better, just half truths, as proven on Fact check, about what they think about the other side. I am for one tired of this type of campaigning and I want clear concise answers from both sides about what they plan to do, not what they think of the other side! What are her answers? Because I can't find them.

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This is what I want too. Does she have her own ideas on issues such as health care, the global economy, foreign policy matters .... ? Or has she been busy with other matters to not have given it much thought? Is she sequestered now trying to figure out what her positions are? All I really have an idea about Palin on is oil, the environment, abortion and earmarks and lobbyists. How can I possibly feel comfortable?
Did anyone watch Biden on Meet the Press? Not only a class act but all over the issues with complete answers. Whether or not you agree with him, the man knows his stuff! Maybe Palin does too but she better get on the ball and show me..
It's not like I'm changing my vote, but in the event she were to become our VP, I don't want that sinking feeling in my stomach!


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GoodWitch58

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I find it interesting that the Republican Women of Florida and maybe elsewhere are up in arms because Oprah won't have Palin on the show...

when, Palin is sequested by the campaign and not available for any media event or talk show. It is the campaign, according to the campaign manager, that is keeping her away from the media until they are sure she is comfortable with her answers.
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
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This is what I want too. Does she have her own ideas on issues such as health care, the global economy, foreign policy matters .... ? Or has she been busy with other matters to not have given it much thought? Is she sequestered now trying to figure out what her positions are? All I really have an idea about Palin on is oil, the environment, abortion and earmarks and lobbyists. How can I possibly feel comfortable?
Did anyone watch Biden on Meet the Press? Not only a class act but all over the issues with complete answers. Whether or not you agree with him, the man knows his stuff! Maybe Palin does too but she better get on the ball and show me..
It's not like I'm changing my vote, but in the event she were to become our VP, I don't want that sinking feeling in my stomach!


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Rita, do you have opinions on these issues, or have you been too busy with other matters? I'd be willing to bet she does, as we all do. Remember she's the governor of a state - I doubt she's been too busy with family or what not to think about issues such as healthcare, economy and the like.
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
I find it interesting that the Republican Women of Florida and maybe elsewhere are up in arms because Oprah won't have Palin on the show...

when, Palin is sequested by the campaign and not available for any media event or talk show. It is the campaign, according to the campaign manager, that is keeping her away from the media until they are sure she is comfortable with her answers.


I agree, they need to get her out and doing interviews. Starting with with a few interviews on FOX News, PBS, and Meet The Press. I think they should black list CNN though for the duration of the campaign.
 

GoodWitch58

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Rita, do you have opinions on these issues, or have you been too busy with other matters? I'd be willing to bet she does, as we all do. Remember she's the governor of a state - I doubt she's been too busy with family or what not to think about issues such as healthcare, economy and the like.

I'm not Rita, but Palin did say herself that she did not have an opinion on the Iraq war because she "had not focued on that"
 
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