I've kept my mouth shut, but can't take it anymore
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If you want to have a meaningful discussion, then don't start out by stating that the President-elect will be doling out pay-backs, is ready to have a national holiday declared in his honor and is becoming a dictator.
Stick to the point - if you think that Valerie Jarrett made an unfortunate choice of words when she said "rule", that's a valid point. Lumping that together with a couple of points of conjecture to call him a "dictator" is something else entirely. You've combined one solid news source with one fringe group activity and one complete guess to construct a "trend" which supports your opinion. They don't deserve equal footing.
And my pointing this out is not a personal attack - it is based entirely on your writings and is confined to that subject.
Stick to the point - if you think that Valerie Jarrett made an unfortunate choice of words when she said "rule", that's a valid point. Lumping that together with a couple of points of conjecture to call him a "dictator" is something else entirely. You've combined one solid news source with one fringe group activity and one complete guess to construct a "trend" which supports your opinion. They don't deserve equal footing.
And my pointing this out is not a personal attack - it is based entirely on your writings and is confined to that subject.
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And if this was the original poster's point (and delivery), very few of us would have disagreed with her...
(EDIT: per Here4Good's nicely articulated post just above this one)
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I think this is exactly what CCK was referring to. You go out of your way to point out that you are not attacking, and the very next sentence is a slam.
CCK, the internets is dominated by left-leaning folks, just look at "Obama's Internet Army." It's no surprise that SoWal.com is also.
You are absolutely right about that last comment I made, and that is why I had already deleted it before you posted this.
Just curious. What is it about this president elect that makes you and many others want to watch him so carefully? I hear this a lot from folks who did not vote for Obama but I do not recall ever hearing anything like this from folks whose preferred candidate did not win in any previous election. Even if they were watching and listening carefully I never heard so many declare there was a need to like I do these days...
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Just curious. What is it about this president elect that makes you and many others want to watch him so carefully? I hear this a lot from folks who did not vote for Obama but I do not recall ever hearing anything like this from folks whose preferred candidate did not win in any previous election. Even if they were watching and listening carefully I never heard them say there was a need to until now...
Geo, this is the first Presidential transition during a war in a long time so this time around, it really is different. It is well accepted that Obama is thin in the national security arena hence the salvos from the ever-opportunistic Russians and Iranians. Obama's response to the reporter's question about Iran was disconcerting.
The Iranians understand and respect strength and resolve. I know many on this board disagree but it is how I see the world. Remember when the Iranians grabbed the hostages when Jimmy Carter was President? They viewed JC as weak and it turns out they were correct. When Reagan campaigned for President in 1980, in response to questions concerning the Americans held hostage in Iran, he would simply say that every option is on the table. Within a few minutes of Reagan being sworn in, Iran released the hostages. Obama will learn and will build a good national security team. The lesson he has to learn IMHO is that diplomacy works best when it is not your primary option.
This is a very interesting point of view about the use of the web supporters being used as a hedge against conservative opposing views, but I think it is misguided. First of all, the popular vote between the candidates wasn't terribly far off. Often when one Army rises, another does too, so strategically, in order to win the support of the populace, this would be a mistake. Although in times of need, Obama was able to get some Obamatrons specifically placed like chess pieces, why does everyone think that everyone has been brainwashed or it could be that they were so ambitious in helping their candidate? That would be saying that half of the Country has drank the Koolaid. Liberals aren't the only ones who have access to the internets. Anyone with access can e-mail their Congressman/woman now, so how does his mailing list differ from any other one?
and CCK, I am sorry your friend felt attacked here. It takes a strong resolve to communicate on a message board, especially in light of the fact that Sowal is a small community. Your friend wouldn't be the first to feel slighted here, myself included, and she won't be last. It's just the nature of this medium.
Just curious. What is it about this president elect that makes you and many others want to watch him so carefully? I hear this a lot from folks who did not vote for Obama but I do not recall ever hearing anything like this from folks whose preferred candidate did not win in any previous election. Even if they were watching and listening carefully I never heard so many declare there was a need to like I do these days...
They're suffering from post campaign attack withdrawal syndrome.
it's so sad that someone who says he wanted to give obama a chance even though he didn't vote for him decided that prior to his inauguration, he had to find another way to discredit him. obama has withstood all the hateful untruths that were spun throughout his campaign by republicans, including mccain and palin along with the pundits and has come out victorious. he has 4 years to make his mark, either through good judgment or by screwing up as bush did all 8 years. we can all comment on bush because we now have his track record. for god's sake, let obama make his, good or bad. he certainly won't be able to right all the wrongs committed by bush and the republicans these past years but he deserves a chance. anyone jumping all over him now is just looking for the negative because they can't stand the fact that he won. get over yourself.