Florida-style edukashun

[30ashopper]

I question why 12-15 teachers are absent every day when they know that means their students will have to sit in a gym and not learn anything.

My teachers certainly didn't miss that many days ..................... and they would have been leading the riot to the District Office if anyone suggested we sit idly in a gym instead of in a classroom being taught something.

Yes, it is sad that education is such a low budgetary priority, but IMO this also shows some definite issues w/ how the education system works.

God forbid these teachers give up their precious planning periods occasionally to TEACH!

I can think of 8 ways to do something beneficial or educational during these down times, why the hell can't these educators? :angry:

The state of Florida has been racking up billions in debt over the last five years specifically for education due to the class size amendment. Education spending is the biggest line item in our entire budget. I wouldn't qualify that as "low priority" scooter.

The People's Budget - Agencies

 

[scooterbug44]

Scooter, you are trying to apply common sense and old school values to a system that abandoned them years ago.

Well, I have high standards - guess it's because my PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS beat them into me!

Don't think they're such antiquated "old school" values since I haven't hit 30 yet. ;-)

30a - that comment was because they were presenting the issue as a budgetary shortfall ................... and obviously I see major failings in other areas beside the budget!

 

[idlewind]

Well, I have high standards - guess it's because my PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS beat them into me!

Don't think they're such antiquated "old school" values since I haven't hit 30 yet. ;-)

30a - that comment was because they were presenting the issue as a budgetary shortfall ................... and obviously I see major failings in other areas beside the budget!

I'm with you Scooter, my public school teachers taught me the same things, albeit a few years earlier.

Unfortunately those values are not taught in large segments of our society anymore, at either public or private schools.

 

[30A Skunkape]

I question why 12-15 teachers are absent every day when they know that means their students will have to sit in a gym and not learn anything.

My teachers certainly didn't miss that many days ..................... and they would have been leading the riot to the District Office if anyone suggested we sit idly in a gym instead of in a classroom being taught something.

Yes, it is sad that education is such a low budgetary priority, but IMO this also shows some definite issues w/ how the education system works.

God forbid these teachers give up their precious planning periods occasionally to TEACH!

I can think of 8 ways to do something beneficial or educational during these down times, why the hell can't these educators? :angry:

Common sense would suggest a solution might be for volunteers to spend a day lecturing these kids on some topic in their realm of expertese. Music, art, physical or biological sciences come to mind. I wonder how small and how high a hoop to jump through a volunteer teacher would have to negotiate before being allowed to share their knowledge.

 

[sunspotbaby]

I thought the Lottery was for education.

 

[30A Skunkape]

I thought the Lottery was for education.

It is a pyramid scheme with the lotto prize and academic lip service at the pinnacle and ever increasing masses of the ignorant buttressing the structure's stability.

 

[amp in srb]

I hope this thread isn't meant to lump "Teachers" as a whole and place blame for a failing system on them. Please let us be more rational and logical than that.

So let's say we have a single mother, who is a teacher, with strep throat or her child has say........measles. Whatever. Her fault? No. I wouldn't think so. I know a number of single mothers who teach. In fact, I spent some of my career as a teacher. Not pretty by any standards. Low pay, long hours, and quite relevantly you are frequently in contact with viruses and sickness as a result of close quarter contact.

Maybe we should place the same expectations for job performance that we place on people who are paid comparably. Those people, whose absence is not so earth shattering are not grilled. But your child is not in their care. In fact, your child, is in the care of the STATE OF FLORIDA SCHOOL SYSTEM and it's individual districts.

How often do you call in? What's that? Really? Be honest?

 

[30ashopper]

I hope this thread isn't meant to lump "Teachers" as a whole and place blame for a failing system on them. Please let us be more rational and logical than that.

I don't blame the teachers, I blame the unions.

So let's say we have a single mother, who is a teacher, with strep throat or her child has say........measles. Whatever. Her fault? No. I wouldn't think so. I know a number of single mothers who teach. In fact, I spent some of my career as a teacher. Not pretty by any standards. Low pay, long hours, and quite relevantly you are frequently in contact with viruses and sickness as a result of close quarter contact.

Maybe we should place the same expectations for job performance that we place on people who are paid comparably. Those people, whose absence is not so earth shattering are not grilled. But your child is not in their care. In fact, your child, is in the care of the STATE OF FLORIDA SCHOOL SYSTEM and it's individual districts.

How often do you call in? What's that? Really? Be honest?

I don't think teachers should come to school if they are truely sick, that just ends up making the situation worse. Definitely different than say a private company where you interact with a small subset of the overall population of the business. (Although 8% on daily basis does seem a little high.)

Personally I don't call in sick, but I only interact with computers not kids, and I can understand why a teacher might want a couple days off.

 

[amp in srb]

Blaming the unions is misplaced. In the above article I don't really see how you could come to the conclusion that it is their fault. Planning periods are important. So is a breather during the day, and frankly extra kids in the classroom is a lot to handle.

Blame the lack of funding (which is about to get worse) and lack of good education policy on a state and federal level. It is truly antiquated.

 

[30ashopper]

Blaming the unions is misplaced. In the above article I don't really see how you could come to the conclusion that it is their fault. Planning periods are important. So is a breather during the day, and frankly extra kids in the classroom is a lot to handle.

Blame the lack of funding (which is about to get worse) and lack of good education policy on a state and federal level. It is truly antiquated.

I blame the unions for the lack of funding.